Expressing any given point on plane with one unique number

In summary, the concept of expressing any point on a plane with one unique number involves using a mathematical system, such as a coordinate system or a projection, to assign a single value to represent the location of a point. This approach simplifies the representation of multidimensional data and allows for efficient computation and analysis in various fields, including computer graphics and data visualization.
  • #1
Mashiro
5
0
TL;DR Summary
Question on if exists a fractal of a line such that after infinite iterations it could cover any given point on a plane.
Currently, as far as I know, the two main ways to express any given point on a plane is through either cartesian plane or polar coordinates. Both of which requires an ordered pair of two numbers to express a point. However, I wonder if there exists such a system that could express any given point on a plane using only one number.

Intuitionally, I think of lines. I know there exists fractals of a line that could theoretically fill a plane after infinite iterations. Therefore, I believe we can construct a system of expressing a plane based on such fractal:
1. The fractal must pass through all points, therefore arbitrarily define any point as origin, denoted as zero.
2. Based on zero, define a positive direction.
3. To express any given point, simple trace from zero, alone the fractal. The distance from your point to the origin would be the unique number describing the point on the plane.

However, some problems are also raised:
1. Does there exist such rule so that a fractal could pass through every single point on a plane? No matter rational or not.
2. If the theory is correct, due to the fact that set of irrational numbers is a higher level of infinity compared to the set of rational numbers, there is a 100% chance of meeting an "irrational point" by choosing arbitrarily. Is this going to be problematic?

If everything about this theory works out, could we apply the same method to a higher dimension (for instance 3-dimensional), and express any given point in a three dimensional space with two numbers? Or perhaps even one.

I am currently a sophomore and my knowledge about mathematics is basic. I might have made stupid mistakes anywhere above. Please point them out to me if you spot any.
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
  • #2
You can cover a certain square ##S\subseteq \mathbb{R}^2## of the plane with a single line, a Hilbert curve, or a Peano curve. Hence if our curve ##\gamma \, : \,[0,1] \longrightarrow S## hits your point ##p\in S## for the first time (more than once is possible), say ##\gamma (t_0)=p,## then ##t_0## can be thought of as a representation of ##p## by a single number.

The disadvantage is, that different squares lead to different curves lead to different representations.
 
  • Like
Likes e_jane, topsquark, PeroK and 1 other person
  • #3
fresh_42 said:
You can cover a certain square ##S\subseteq \mathbb{R}^2## of the plane with a single line, a Hilbert curve, or a Peano curve. Hence if our curve ##\gamma \, : \,[0,1] \longrightarrow S## hits your point ##p\in S## for the first time (more than once is possible), say ##\gamma (t_0)=p,## then ##t_0## can be thought of as a representation of ##p## by a single number.

The disadvantage is, that different squares lead to different curves lead to different representations.
Thank you so much! I was learning polar coordinates today in class and could not help thinking about this question. However, I still don't understand why it is possible to hit a same point more than once.
 
  • #4
Mashiro said:
Thank you so much! I was learning polar coordinates today in class and could not help thinking about this question. However, I still don't understand why it is possible to hit a same point more than once.
A surjective mapping looks easier to create than a bijective one so I wrote this passage a bit as an insurance. Let me look it up.

Cantor wrote in a letter to Dedkind in 1874 that it was impossible and that proof was almost unnecessary.
Three years later in 1877, Cantor wrote Dedekind a letter that he now believed that it is possible and added a sketch of proof.

At least I have been faster than Cantor. It is possible without crossings, but it can last until your point is covered.
 
  • Like
Likes topsquark and PeroK
  • #5
"At least I have been faster than Cantor." - Ha! :-D
 

FAQ: Expressing any given point on plane with one unique number

What does it mean to express a point on a plane with one unique number?

Expressing a point on a plane with one unique number typically refers to using a mathematical representation that encodes the coordinates of the point into a single value. This can be achieved through various techniques, such as using polar coordinates or complex numbers, where the point's position is represented by a distance and angle or a single complex number, respectively.

How can a point in Cartesian coordinates be represented as a single number?

A point in Cartesian coordinates (x, y) can be represented as a single number using a technique such as Cantor pairing or interleaving the digits of x and y. For example, if x and y are non-negative integers, you can create a unique number by combining their digits in a specific pattern, ensuring that each pair (x, y) corresponds to one unique number.

What are the advantages of representing points in this way?

Representing points on a plane with a single unique number can simplify certain mathematical operations and data storage. It can make indexing and searching for points more efficient in computational applications and can also facilitate the mapping of multi-dimensional data into one-dimensional structures, such as in computer graphics and data visualization.

Are there any limitations to expressing points this way?

Yes, there are limitations. Some methods may only work for certain types of coordinates (e.g., non-negative integers) and may not be suitable for all applications. Additionally, precision can be an issue, especially when dealing with real numbers, as representing them as a single number may lead to rounding errors or loss of information.

Can this concept be applied to higher dimensions?

Yes, the concept can be extended to higher dimensions using similar techniques, such as multi-dimensional generalizations of pairing functions. However, the complexity of the representation increases with dimensionality, and the methods used may vary depending on the specific requirements of the application and the nature of the data.

Similar threads

Replies
36
Views
5K
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
14
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
915
Replies
4
Views
4K
Replies
8
Views
1K
Replies
7
Views
2K
Back
Top