External Weak Product is the Internal Weak Product of…

In summary: I} i_k(G_k) \rangle##, and thus the internal weak direct product of the subgroups ##\{i_k(G_k) \mid k \in I\}##. In summary, the external weak direct product of a family of groups is equivalent to the internal weak direct product of its subgroups, defined using the canonical embeddings. This result holds even if the subgroups are not normal in the external weak direct product.
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Let ##\{G_i \mid i \in I\}## be a family of groups, then ##\prod^w G_i##, the external weak direct product, is the internal weak direct product of the subgroups ##\{i_k(G_k) \mid k \in I\}##, where ##i_k : G_k \to \prod G_i## is the canonical embedding.

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I have already shown that the ##i_k(G_k)## are normal in ##\prod^w G_i##, and clearly ##i_k(G_k) \cap \langle \bigcup_{k \in I} i_k(G_k) \rangle = \{e\}## But I don't see how this is true. Specifically, isn't ##\langle \bigcup_{k \in I} i_k(G_k) \rangle## bigger than ##\prod^w G_i##, as it contains elements whose every component is an nonidentity element? I could see ##\prod G_i##, the 'regular' direct product, being the internal weak direct product of these subgroups, but not ##\prod^w G_i##. What am I missing?
 
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First of all, let's clarify the definitions of the external and internal weak direct products. The external weak direct product ##\prod^w G_i## is defined as the set of all functions ##f : I \to \bigcup_{i \in I} G_i## such that ##f(i) \in G_i## for all ##i \in I## and ##f(i) = e## for all but finitely many ##i \in I##, with the operation being defined pointwise. The internal weak direct product of the subgroups ##\{i_k(G_k) \mid k \in I\}## is defined as the subgroup of ##\prod^w G_i## consisting of all functions ##f : I \to \bigcup_{i \in I} G_i## such that ##f(i) \in i_k(G_k)## for all ##i \in I## and ##f(i) = e## for all but finitely many ##i \in I##.

Now, let's address your concern about ##\langle \bigcup_{k \in I} i_k(G_k) \rangle## being bigger than ##\prod^w G_i##. Note that, by definition, ##\langle \bigcup_{k \in I} i_k(G_k) \rangle## is the smallest subgroup of ##\prod^w G_i## containing all the elements of ##\bigcup_{k \in I} i_k(G_k)##. It may seem like this subgroup is bigger than ##\prod^w G_i##, but in reality it is not. In fact, we can show that ##\prod^w G_i## is contained in ##\langle \bigcup_{k \in I} i_k(G_k) \rangle##.

To see this, let ##f \in \prod^w G_i## be an element of the external weak direct product. Then, by definition, ##f(i) = e## for all but finitely many ##i \in I##. This means that ##f(i) \in i_k(G_k)## for all but finitely many ##i \in I##, which implies that ##f \in \langle \bigcup_{k \in I} i_k(G_k) \rangle##. Therefore, ##\prod^w G_i## is indeed a subgroup
 

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