Find f'(0), if it exists and is f continuous at x=0

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In summary: That was why I said that you had to examine the actual function f. I said that, if the derivative exists, then the function is continuous. The "intermediate value theorem" is one way to prove that if the derivative exists, then lim_{x \to a} f(x)= f(a). Not the only way, of course.
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*couldn't edit the title so Find*

Homework Statement



f(x) = x+1 , x<0
f(x) = 1 , x=0
f(x)= x2-2x+1 , x>0




The Attempt at a Solution



for a (find f'(0), if it exists) i did as followed

Lim h->0- (x+h)+1-(x) /h giving me in the end 1

as for the third equation, I did as follow:
Lim h->0+ (x+h)2-2(x+h)+1 - (x2-2x+1) /h

in the end giving me 0
So I answered that f'(0) doesn't exsit

for b) is f continuous at x=0
i just solved the limit of x +1 which gave me 1 and the limit of x2-2x+1 which gave me 1. Hence I answered that f is continuous at x=0

If I need to add more information, let me know =)
 
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MarcL said:
*couldn't edit the title so Find*

Homework Statement



f(x) = x+1 , x<0
f(x) = 1 , x=0
f(x)= x2-2x+1 , x>0




The Attempt at a Solution



for a (find f'(0), if it exists) i did as followed

Lim h->0- ((x+h)+1-(x)) /h giving me in the end 1

as for the third equation, I did as follow:
Lim h->0+ ((x+h)2-2(x+h)+1 - (x2-2x+1)) /h

in the end giving me 0
So I answered that f'(0) doesn't exsit

for b) is f continuous at x=0
i just solved the limit of x +1 which gave me 1 and the limit of x2-2x+1 which gave me 1. Hence I answered that f is continuous at x=0

If I need to add more information, let me know =)
That all looks good. --- except I inserted some parentheses, where needed.
 
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By the way, for general functions the fact that [itex]\lim_{x\to a^-}f(x)\ne \lim_{x\to a^+}f(x)[/itex] does not prove that f(a) does not exist- only that f is not continuous at x= a. However, the derivative of a function, while not necessarily continuous, does have the "intermediate value property". That is, if f'(a)= A and f'(b)= B then, for any C between A and B, there exist c between a and b such that f(c)= C.

That implies that, whether f' is continuous or not, if f'(a) exists, we must have [itex]\lim_{x\to a^-}f(x)= \lim_{x\to a^+}f(x)[/itex] so your argument is valid.
 
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I don't understand why you brought the "intermediate value" theory in this problem. Isn't used to find if f(x) as a root between a and b considering n isn't equal to a or b?
 
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MarcL said:
*couldn't edit the title so Find*

Homework Statement



f(x) = x+1 , x<0
f(x) = 1 , x=0
f(x)= x2-2x+1 , x>0




The Attempt at a Solution



for a (find f'(0), if it exists) i did as followed

Lim h->0- (x+h)+1-(x) /h giving me in the end 1

as for the third equation, I did as follow:
Lim h->0+ (x+h)2-2(x+h)+1 - (x2-2x+1) /h

in the end giving me 0
So I answered that f'(0) doesn't exsit
You evaluated the second limit wrong somehow. It should equal -2, not 0.
for b) is f continuous at x=0
i just solved the limit of x+1 which gave me 1 and the limit of x2-2x+1 which gave me 1. Hence I answered that f is continuous at x=0

If I need to add more information, let me know =)
You need to show
[tex]\lim_{x \to 0} f(x) = f(0)[/tex]What you've written shows that
[tex]\lim_{x \to 0^-} f(x) = \lim_{x \to 0^+} f(x)[/tex]which means
[tex]\lim_{x \to 0} f(x)[/tex]exists. You should probably state explicitly that the limit equals f(0) so the grader knows you understand what continuity means.
 
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vela said:
You evaluated the second limit wrong somehow. It should equal -2, not 0.
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How did I miss that ? DUH !
 
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Lim h->0+ ((x+h)2-2(x+h)+1 - (x2-2x+1)) /
is then x2+2xh+h2 -2x+2h+ 1 - x2+2x-1
which can then be simplified to 2xh+h^2+2h
so Lim h->0+ (2xh+h2+2h)/h
And here its just basic simplifying however.... I think its where I usually mess up (small mistakes...) and I did Lim h-->0+ 2xh + h + 2h giving in the end 2x(0) + (0) + 2 (0)
 
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MarcL said:
Lim h->0+ ((x+h)2-2(x+h)+1 - (x2-2x+1)) /
is then x2+2xh+h2 -2x-2h+ 1 - x2+2x-1
You flipped a sign.
which can then be simplified to 2xh+h^2+2h
so Lim h->0+ (2xh+h2+2h)/h
And here its just basic simplifying however.... I think its where I usually mess up (small mistakes...) and I did Lim h-->0+ 2xh + h + 2h giving in the end 2x(0) + (0) + 2 (0)
 
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MarcL said:
I don't understand why you brought the "intermediate value" theory in this problem. Isn't used to find if f(x) as a root between a and b considering n isn't equal to a or b?
Mathematical theorems can be used for more than one purpose! Ignoring the reference to the "intermediate value theorem" do you understand my point that finding [itex]\lim_{x\to a^+}f(x)[/itex] and [itex]\lim_{x\to a^-} f(x)[/itex] and finding that they are the same does not necessarily tell you what f(a) is?
 

FAQ: Find f'(0), if it exists and is f continuous at x=0

What does "f'(0)" mean in this context?

"f'(0)" refers to the derivative of the function f at the point x=0. It represents the instantaneous rate of change of the function at that specific point.

How do you find the derivative of a function?

The derivative of a function can be found by using the rules of differentiation, such as the power rule, product rule, quotient rule, and chain rule. These rules involve taking the derivative of each term in the function and combining them using algebraic operations.

What does it mean for "f'(0)" to exist?

If "f'(0)" exists, it means that the derivative of the function f at x=0 is defined and finite. This means that the function has a well-defined slope at that point and is not discontinuous or undefined at that point.

How do you determine if a function is continuous at x=0?

A function is continuous at x=0 if the limit of the function as x approaches 0 from both sides is equal to the value of the function at x=0. In other words, the function has no gaps, jumps, or breaks at x=0 and can be drawn without lifting the pencil from the paper.

Can a function be continuous at x=0 but not have a derivative at that point?

Yes, a function can be continuous at x=0 but not have a derivative at that point. This can happen if the function has a sharp turn or corner at x=0, which makes the derivative undefined. In this case, the function is still continuous because it can be drawn without any breaks, but the derivative does not exist at that point.

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