Find limit of multi variable function

In summary, the conversation discusses the calculation of a limit using polar coordinates and the conclusion that the limit does not exist. One person suggests checking if the limit depends on θ, while another suggests considering multiple paths of approach. However, the second person's rule of thumb is deemed inaccurate by another person due to the differing limits for certain values.
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Homework Statement
Given the continuous function ##g\colon \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}## so that ##g(1)=7##, consider the function defined in ##\mathbb{R}^{2}_{\backslash(1,0)}## by$$f(x,y)=\frac {g(x)(x-1)^2y}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}.$$

Say whether the limit ##\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {f(x,y)}## exists.
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This is what I did: $$\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {\frac {g(x)(x-1)^2y}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}}=\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {g(x)y\frac {(x-1)^2}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}}$$ I know that ##\lim_ {(x,y) \rightarrow (1,0)} {g(x)y}=0## and that ##\frac {(x-1)^2}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}## is limited because ##0\leq (x-1)^2\leq 2(x-1)^4\leq 2(x-1)^4+y^2\Rightarrow 0 \leq\frac{(x-1)^2}{2(x-1)^4+y^2}\leq1##, so I concluded that the limit exists and it is 0.
I know this is wrong and I can understand that the limit cannot exist because if you calculate the limit for ##y=(x-1)^2## you get a solution different than 0. But I thought that having a function whose limit is 0 times a function that is limited was enough to conclude that the limit of their multiplication was 0. Is this wrong?
 
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I did not know that
$$(x-1)^2\leq 2(x-1)^4$$
did I miss something ?
 
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BvU said:
I did not know that
$$(x-1)^2\leq 2(x-1)^4$$
did I miss something ?
You're right! I totally forgot about the numbers between 0 and 1. Thanks for the help
 
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Set [itex]x = 1 + r\cos \theta[/itex], [itex]y = r \sin \theta[/itex] and consider the limit [itex]r \to 0[/itex]. Does it depend on [itex]\theta[/itex]?

EDIT This is not sufficient to conclude that the limit exists, as the example I give below shows.

Instead consider what happens if you approach (1,0) along the path [itex](1 + t, At^2)[/itex] for arbitrary [itex]A[/itex]. If the limit exists, then the result should be independent of [itex]A[/itex].
 
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pasmith said:
Set [itex]x = 1 + r\cos \theta[/itex], [itex]y = r \sin \theta[/itex] and consider the limit [itex]r \to 0[/itex]. Does it depend on [itex]\theta[/itex]?
It does. So if I have a two variable function and I want to calculate the limit for (x,y) to (0,0) I can just replace x and y with the polar coordinates and check whether it depends on \theta and if it does, there is no limit?
 
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Maybe I shouldn't, but I'd suggest you consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists. Good if you're stuck in an exam with little time left. Easy choices: along ##y=x## along ##(0,y) ##or ##(x,0)##
 
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ananonanunes said:
It does. So if I have a two variable function and I want to calculate the limit for (x,y) to (0,0) I can just replace x and y with the polar coordinates and check whether it depends on \theta and if it does, there is no limit?
Your missing one small detail given by @pasmith ; take the limit as ##r\to 0##. Then you see if that limit depends on ##\theta##, ...
 
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WWGD said:
Maybe I shouldn't, but I'd suggest you consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists. Good if you're stuck in an exam with little time left. Easy choices: along ##y=x## along ##(0,y) ##or ##(x,0)##

Consider [tex]
f(x,y) = \frac{xy}{x^2 + y}.[/tex] Here approaching the origin along a straight line path we find [tex]
\lim_{t \to 0} f(t\cos \theta,t\sin\theta) = \lim_{t\to 0} \frac{t\sin 2\theta}{2(t\cos^2 \theta + \sin \theta)} = 0.[/tex] However, we also find that for [itex]C \neq 0[/itex] we have [tex]
\lim_{t \to 0} f\left(t, \frac{Ct^2}{t-C}\right) = C.[/tex] Hence [itex]\lim_{(x,y)\to(0,0)} f(x,y)[/itex] does not exist: there are points arbitrarily close to the origin where [itex]f(x,y) = C[/itex] for any [itex]C[/itex].
 
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@pasmith , not saying your method doesn't work, just offering a different approach, perspective.
 
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WWGD said:
@pasmith , not saying your method doesn't work, just offering a different approach, perspective.

My point is that "consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists" is not accurate.
 
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pasmith said:
My point is that "consider 2 or more random paths of approach. If you get the same limit on both, the limit likely exists" is not accurate.
" Likely"
It's a rule of thumb. Besides, the limits are different for ## C\neq 0 ##, which doesn't qualify for my rule ( of thumb)
 

FAQ: Find limit of multi variable function

1. How do you find the limit of a multivariable function?

To find the limit of a multivariable function, you typically approach the point of interest along different paths and check if the function approaches the same value along each path. If the function approaches the same value regardless of the path, that value is the limit. Otherwise, the limit does not exist.

2. What are common techniques for finding multivariable limits?

Common techniques include direct substitution, path analysis (approaching the point along different lines or curves), polar coordinates transformation, and using squeeze theorem. Each method has its own applicability depending on the function and the point of interest.

3. What does it mean if the limit of a multivariable function does not exist?

If the limit does not exist, it means that the function approaches different values when approached from different directions, or it might not approach any value at all. This indicates that the function behaves inconsistently near the point of interest.

4. How can polar coordinates help in finding the limit of a multivariable function?

Polar coordinates can simplify the process of finding limits by converting Cartesian coordinates (x, y) into polar coordinates (r, θ). This often reduces the complexity of the function and can make it easier to analyze the behavior as r approaches zero, which corresponds to approaching the origin in Cartesian coordinates.

5. What is the squeeze theorem and how is it used in multivariable limits?

The squeeze theorem states that if a function f(x, y) is squeezed between two other functions g(x, y) and h(x, y), and if the limits of g and h as (x, y) approach a point are equal, then the limit of f as (x, y) approach that point is also equal to that common limit. This is useful for proving limits when direct evaluation is difficult.

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