Find magnetic flux density(B) via vector potential(A)

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the flux density (B) using a vector potential equation and a solution that requires finding the vector potential first. A problem arises when trying to solve an infinite integral, similar to the issue of finding the potential of an infinite line charge. The expert suggests avoiding this problem by defining the vector potential relative to an arbitrarily chosen point, resulting in a finite solution.
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Hello
As you know we can find the flux density (B) via vector potential with this equation
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So with this equation and solution at first i try to find vector potential completely then use above equation

Problem:
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Solution:
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my approach:
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now we use curl A to find B
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we find that
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but it is different form the book soltuion

what is my problem and wrong?

Thanks
 
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baby_1 said:
my approach:
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Note how you wrote R in terms of x, y, z. Is the 3/2 power correct?
 
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Thanks Dear Tsny.you'r correct
as i want to solve the new integral
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a new problem appears

for example if i want to calculate the inner integral the integral going to be infinite.
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Ln(infinite)=infinite

now how can solve this problem?
Thanks
 
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Yes, the integral is infinite. It's similar to trying to finding the potential V of an infinite line charge by integrating dV = k dq/r. Here you will also get a divergent integral. This is due to the charge distribution extending to infinity while at the same time trying to take the potential to be zero at infinity. (Note kdq/r goes to zero at infinity.)

You can avoid the problem by not demanding that the potential be zero at infinity. For example, in the infinite line charge example, you can pick an arbitrary point in space to be zero potential. The potential at other points is then defined relative to this chosen point.

You can try a similar trick for the vector potential. Thus define A as the following (with constants left out)

$$\int_{0}^{\infty} \int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2 +y^2+z^2}} dx dy - \int_{0}^{\infty} \int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2 +y^2+z_0^2}} dx dy$$

##z_0## is just an arbitrarily chosen point on the z axis where you are taking A to be 0.

Each integral individually diverges. But if you combine the integrals before letting the upper limits go to infinity, you get a finite result that you can use for A.
 
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for your question. Without more details, it's difficult to determine exactly where your mistake may be. However, here are some possible reasons for why your solution may be different from the book's:

1. Different methods or equations used: There are different ways to calculate the magnetic flux density using the vector potential. It's possible that you are using a different method or equation than the one used in the book, which could result in a different solution.

2. Mistake in calculation: It's possible that you made a mistake in your calculation. Double check your steps and calculations to ensure they are correct.

3. Different assumptions or conditions: The solution in the book may be based on certain assumptions or conditions that are not stated in the problem. Make sure you are using the same assumptions and conditions in your solution.

4. Different coordinate systems: The solution in the book may be using a different coordinate system than the one you are using. Make sure you are using the same coordinate system in your solution.

It's important to carefully review your approach and calculations to identify where the discrepancy may be coming from. If you are still unsure, it may be helpful to consult with a colleague or mentor for further guidance.
 

FAQ: Find magnetic flux density(B) via vector potential(A)

What is magnetic flux density (B)?

Magnetic flux density, also known as magnetic induction or magnetic field strength, is a measure of the strength of a magnetic field at a particular point in space. It is represented by the symbol B and is measured in units of tesla (T) or gauss (G).

What is the vector potential (A)?

The vector potential, represented by the symbol A, is a mathematical quantity used to describe the magnetic field in terms of its source, such as a current-carrying wire or a permanent magnet. It is related to the magnetic flux density via the equation B = ∇ x A, where ∇ is the gradient operator.

How is the vector potential (A) used to find magnetic flux density (B)?

The relationship between A and B allows us to find the magnetic flux density at a particular point in space by solving for A. This is done using mathematical techniques such as the Biot-Savart law or the Ampere's law, depending on the specific situation.

What are the applications of finding magnetic flux density (B) via vector potential (A)?

This method of finding magnetic flux density is commonly used in many areas of physics and engineering, including electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, and materials science. It is particularly useful in understanding and designing devices that use magnetic fields, such as motors, generators, and MRI machines.

Are there any limitations to using the vector potential (A) to find magnetic flux density (B)?

While the vector potential method is a powerful tool, it does have some limitations. It is only applicable in situations where the magnetic field is static or varies slowly, and it cannot be used to calculate the flux density inside a material with non-uniform magnetic properties. In these cases, other methods, such as finite element analysis, may be more suitable.

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