Find Side AB of Triangle ABC Given M, N, and C

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In summary, the conversation discusses the problem of calculating the length of side AB in triangle ABC, given that BC = 15, AC = 25, and M and N are points on AC such that AM = 9, MN = 11, and CN = 5. The solution involves using the sine rule in multiple triangles to find the relationship between the angles and side lengths, eventually leading to the conclusion that AB = 22.5. The conversation also mentions a simpler solution using coordinates, but the details are not provided.
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A     9     M        11        N   5   C
Triangle ABC, BC = 15, AC = 25.
M and N on AC, such that AM = 9, MN = 11 and CN = 5.
Angle ABM = angle CBN.
Calculate side AB.
 
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It seems as simple as x/9 = 15/5, or am I missing something?
 
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pickslides said:
It seems as simple as x/9 = 15/5, or am I missing something?
No; those 2 triangles are not similar...and solution NOT simple: guaranteed!
 
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pickslides said:
It seems as simple as x/9 = 15/5, or am I missing something?
Are you claiming that triangles ABM and NBC are similar? Also, it is strange that the fact MN = 11 is not used.
 
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From the sine rule in triangle BNC, $\dfrac{\sin\theta}5 = \dfrac{\sin(\theta+\gamma)}{15}$.

From the sine rule in triangle BMA, $\dfrac{\sin\theta}9 = \dfrac{\sin(\theta+\alpha)}x$.

From the sine rule in triangle ABC, $\dfrac{\sin\alpha}{15} = \dfrac{\sin\gamma}x = \dfrac{\sin(\alpha+\gamma)}{25}$.

That gives four equations for the four unknowns $x$, $\theta$, $\alpha$, $\gamma$. So all you have to do is to solve the equations to find $x$.

In practice, I struggled to do that, but eventually I managed to eliminate $x$ and $\theta$ from the equations and ended with the relation $\sin\alpha = \tfrac23\sin\gamma.$ From there, it was easy to conclude that $\boxed{x = 22.5}.$ (Also, $\cos\alpha = \tfrac{29}{36}$, $\cos\gamma = \tfrac{11}{24}$ and $\tan\theta = \tfrac{\sqrt{455}}{61}.$)
 

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Yep. There is a much easier solution using: A(0,0), C(25,0), B(x,y).
G on AC such that BG perpendicular to AC: AG = x, BG = y (of course).
Let u = angleABM = angleCBN.

TriangleABM: TAN(u) = [y / (x-9) - y/x] / [1 + (y / (x-9))(y/x)]
Do similarly with triangleBCN.
Use above equality and, along with Pythagoras' help with rights ABG and CBG, solve.
 

FAQ: Find Side AB of Triangle ABC Given M, N, and C

What is the formula for finding the length of side AB?

The formula for finding the length of side AB is the Pythagorean theorem, which states that in a right triangle, the square of the length of the hypotenuse (side opposite the right angle) is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides. In this case, AB is the hypotenuse, while M and N are the other two sides. Therefore, the formula would be AB = √(M² + N²).

Are there any other methods for finding the length of side AB?

Yes, there are other methods for finding the length of side AB. One method is using trigonometric ratios, such as sine, cosine, and tangent, to solve for the missing side. Another method is using the Law of Cosines, which states that in any triangle, the square of one side is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides minus twice the product of those sides multiplied by the cosine of the included angle. This method can be used for any type of triangle, not just right triangles.

Can I use the given measurements to find the length of side AB in any triangle?

No, the given measurements of M, N, and C can only be used to find the length of side AB in a right triangle. This is because the Pythagorean theorem only applies to right triangles, and the Law of Cosines can only be used to find the length of a side when the included angle is known.

What if I only have two measurements, can I still find the length of side AB?

No, in order to find the length of side AB, you need at least three measurements, including the length of side C. Without this third measurement, there is not enough information to solve for the length of side AB.

Is it necessary to know the exact measurements of M, N, and C, or can I estimate them?

It is necessary to know the exact measurements of M, N, and C in order to accurately find the length of side AB. Estimations may lead to incorrect results, especially in more complex triangles. It is important to use precise measurements to ensure the accuracy of your calculations.

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