Find the dimension of capacitor given [phi]E and Id

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The discussion revolves around calculating the dimensions of capacitor plates given a changing electric field and displacement current. The electric field rate is 1.5x10^6 V/m/s, and the displacement current is 0.80x10^-8 A. Participants suggest differentiating the charge formula with respect to time to relate the variables, leading to the equation ΔQ/Δt = εA ΔE/Δt. Despite this, there is confusion about how to isolate the area (A) of the plates without knowing the distance (d) or electric field (E). The conversation highlights the challenge of solving for the plate dimensions with the provided information.
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Homework Statement


The electric field between two circular plates of a capacitor is changing at a rate of 1.5x10^6 V/m/s (ΦE). If displacement current at this instant is Id=0.80x10^-8A, find the dimensions of the plates.


Homework Equations



Id=ΔQ/Δt=εΔΦE/Δt
Q=CV=(εA/d)(Ed)

Q=εAE <-- need to solve for A but do not have E.

The Attempt at a Solution



Q=εΦE = (8.85x10^-12)(1.5x10^6)
Q=1.33x10^-5

Feel like I must be missing something, I've gone over this problem and relevant formulas for way too long and can't figure out how to determine A (area of the plates) from the information given. Would really appreciate a push in the right direction.
Thanks
 
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What happens if you differentiate your formula Q = (εA/d)(Ed) with respect to time?
 
gneill said:
What happens if you differentiate your formula Q = (εA/d)(Ed) with respect to time?

Could you elaborate?

I don't see how that helps to solve for A or E
 
a4pat said:
Could you elaborate?

I don't see how that helps to solve for A or E

differentiate both sides w.r.t. time. (what varies on each side?). Does the result mesh with any other formula you've written?
 
gneill said:
differentiate both sides w.r.t. time. (what varies on each side?). Does the result mesh with any other formula you've written?

ΔQ/Δt = CV/Δt = εAE/Δt = Id


Thanks for the reply, still not sure how to solve this. Even with respect to time I can't see how the formulas can be setup to find the plate dimensions (A) without having d, or E.
:confused:
 
a4pat said:
ΔQ/Δt = CV/Δt = εAE/Δt = Id


Thanks for the reply, still not sure how to solve this. Even with respect to time I can't see how the formulas can be setup to find the plate dimensions (A) without having d, or E.
:confused:

So,

ΔQ/Δt = εA ΔE/Δt by your differentiation

and you're given:

ΔQ/Δt = 0.80x10^-8A ; and ΔE/Δt = 1.5x10^6 V/m/s

:rolleyes:
 
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