Find the eigenfunction and eigenvalues of ##\sin\frac{d}{d\phi}##

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The discussion focuses on finding the eigenfunctions and eigenvalues of the operator ##\sin\frac{d}{d\phi}##. The initial approach involves differentiating the eigenvalue equation, leading to a complex non-linear differential equation that the user struggles to solve. Attempts to use Taylor expansion and integration yield results that cannot be expressed in elementary functions. The conversation concludes with the suggestion that the eigenfunctions can be represented in terms of the integral involving the inverse sine function, but the user remains uncertain about practical applications of this result. Overall, the problem remains challenging, with no clear path to a solution.
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Homework Statement
Find the eigenfunction and eigenvalues of ##\sin\frac{d}{d\phi}##
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Here is what I tried. Suppose ##f(\phi)## and ##\lambda## is the eigenfunction and eigenvalue of the given operator. That is,

$$\sin\frac{d f}{d\phi} = \lambda f$$
Differentiating once,
$$f'' \cos f' = \lambda f' = f'' \sqrt{1-\sin^2f'}$$
$$f''\sqrt{1-\lambda^2 f^2} = \lambda f'$$

I have no idea how to solve this non-linear differential equation. Is this approach even correct? I have also tried expanding the left-hand side of the eigenvalue equation into Taylor expansion of ##\sin(f')##. All I get is a function containing higher derivatives of ##f## on one side and ##\lambda f## on the other side and once again I am stuck not knowing how to proceed. Please help
 
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Wannabe Physicist said:
Homework Statement:: Find the eigenfunction and eigenvalues of ##\sin\frac{d}{d\phi}##
Relevant Equations:: .

Here is what I tried. Suppose ##f(\phi)## and ##\lambda## is the eigenfunction and eigenvalue of the given operator. That is,

$$\sin\frac{d f}{d\phi} = \lambda f$$
Differentiating once,
$$f'' \cos f' = \lambda f' = f'' \sqrt{1-\sin^2f'}$$
$$f''\sqrt{1-\lambda^2 f^2} = \lambda f'$$

I have no idea how to solve this non-linear differential equation. Is this approach even correct? I have also tried expanding the left-hand side of the eigenvalue equation into Taylor expansion of ##\sin(f')##. All I get is a function containing higher derivatives of ##f## on one side and ##\lambda f## on the other side and once again I am stuck not knowing how to proceed. Please help
It isn't pretty and I doubt there is an expression for ##f## in terms of elementary functions, but you could just take arcsine of both sides and directly integrate.
 
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Thanks for your response. This is what I did

$$\frac{df}{d\phi} = \sin^{-1}(\lambda f)$$
On integrating the ##df## integral using online integral calculator
$$ \frac{\operatorname{Ci}\left(\arcsin\left(\lambda f\right)\right)}{\lambda} = \phi+C$$

It seems this cannot be expressed in terms of elementary functions, just as you said. I am trying to see if this can be expressed in the form of ##f=f(\phi)##. Is it even possible?
 
##\sin\left(\frac{d}{d\phi}\right) = \mathfrak{Im} \left( e^{i\frac{d}{dx}}\right)##

Does this help?
 
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Wannabe Physicist said:
Thanks for your response. This is what I did

$$\frac{df}{d\phi} = \sin^{-1}(\lambda f)$$
On integrating the ##df## integral using online integral calculator
$$ \frac{\operatorname{Ci}\left(\arcsin\left(\lambda f\right)\right)}{\lambda} = \phi+C$$

It seems this cannot be expressed in terms of elementary functions, just as you said. I am trying to see if this can be expressed in the form of ##f=f(\phi)##. Is it even possible?
It would probably just be an even more horrible function. In the end, you can always just define a function which is the inverse of another, but that's little more than giving something a name. Insight comes when there are known properties of the variously named special functions.
 
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It would probably just be an even more horrible function. In the end, you can always just define a function which is the inverse of another, but that's little more than giving something a name. Insight comes when there are known properties of the variously named special functions.
Okay. So I should simply state that the eigenfunctions are all those functions ##f(\phi)## which satisfy ##\operatorname{Ci}\left(\sin^{-1}\lambda f\right)/\lambda +C =\phi## and the corresponding eigenvalue is ##\lambda##. Is that right?
 
dextercioby said:
##\sin\left(\frac{d}{d\phi}\right) = \mathfrak{Im} \left( e^{i\frac{d}{dx}}\right)##

Does this help?
I do not understand how to use this fact actually. I am trying to eyeball some eigenfunction for ##e^{i\frac{d}{dx}}## but no success as of yet.
 
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