Find the standard deviation of the values of ##y##

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the standard deviation of a variable, y, given a set of discrete variables, x, and their corresponding frequencies. The solution involves using the fact that the frequencies are the same and finding the ratio of a:b:c to determine the variance of y. The conversation also addresses a typo in one of the formulas and clarifies that the constant 1 does not affect the calculation of the variance.
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I am not familiar with the approach used in the solution...my thinking was as follows

The frequencies are the same...the only thing changing are the discrete variables thus;

Let ##[x= 2,4,6]## and ##[y=7,13,19]## form a sequence...then the nth term is given by;

##x_n=2n## and ##y_n=(3⋅2n)+1=6n+1=3(x_n)+1##

##y_n=3(x_n)+1##

I will need to think on this...your input is welcome though as we already have the solution given...not unless it is wrong. Cheers.

I will look at this later...should be achievable! Since they've given us standard deviation for ##x## ... and both frequencies have same values then I would need to find the ratio of ##a:b:c## then use that to determine the standard deviation of ##y##.
 
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chwala said:
The frequencies are the same...the only thing changing are the discrete variables thus;
Let ##[x= 2,4,6]## and ##[y=7,13,19]## form a sequence...
The part about "form a sequence" doesn't make sense to me. Really, what you're talking about is a map (i.e., function) from the x values to the y values.
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Let ##[x= 2,4,6]## and ##[y=7,13,19]## form a sequence...then the nth term is given by;
##x_n=2n## and ##y_n=(3⋅2n)+1=6n+1=3(x_n)+1##
##y_n=3(x_n)+1##
The last line gives the function. That is, Y = 3X + 1.

There are several properties of the variance (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance, in the section titled Addition and multiplication by a constant.
Among them are
  • Var(X + a) = Var(X)
  • Var(aX) = a2Var(X)
From these, you should be able to work out the value of Var(Y) = Var(3X + 1), and use the given value of ##\sigma_X## to find ##\sigma_Y## AKA SD(Y). Note that Var(X) = ##(\sigma_X)^2##.
 
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Mark44 said:
The part about "form a sequence" doesn't make sense to me. Really, what you're talking about is a map (i.e., function) from the x values to the y values.

The last line gives the function. That is, Y = 3X + 1.

There are several properties of the variance (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance, in the section titled Addition and multiplication by a constant.
Among them are×
  • Var(X + a) = Var(X)
  • Var(aX) = a2Var(X)
From these, you should be able to work out the value of Var(Y) = Var(3X + 1), and use the given value of ##\sigma_X## to find ##\sigma_Y## AKA SD(Y). Note that Var(X) = ##(\sigma_X)^2##.

That is fine and clear ...but what happens to the ##1##? all values are scaled by a constant...and i think ##1## is also a part of that constant. Should we not have;

##Var (Y)=\sqrt {a^2×Var(3x)+1}=2.82## to two decimal places?
 
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Sorry, I made a typo (now corrected) in one of the formulas I wrote: It should be Var(X + a) = Var(X), not Var(a) as I originally wrote.

So if U = 3x, Var(U) = Var(3x), and so Var(U + 1) = Var(U).

chwala said:
Should we not have; ##Var (Y)=\sqrt {a^2×Var(3x)+1}=2.82## to two decimal places?
No, that's wrong on several counts.
##Var (Y) \ne \sqrt {a^2×Var(3x)+1}## -- you're mixing up variance and standard deviation.
Var(Y) = Var(3X) = 32 Var(X)
So SD(Y) = ##\sqrt{9 Var(X)} = 3 \sqrt{Var(X)}##

The answer given in the image you posted, 2.64, is correct. 2.82 is not.

chwala said:
but what happens to the 1?
It doesn't affect the calculation of the variance. A vertical translation in the data makes no difference. For example, the sets {1, 2, 3} and {3, 4, 5} have different means but the same variance, and hence the same standard deviations.
 
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