Why Are There No Solutions to This Vector Equation Problem?

In summary: The corresponding value of s is found by symmetry.In summary, the conversation discussed the equation PPR = α*PRPS, where PR and PS are the points of intersection on lines R and S, found by taking the cross product of the normals of two planes. The lines R and S were given in terms of their respective planes and parametrized using y and u. However, the resulting equations did not have any real solutions, indicating that the lines are parallel to the plane containing point P.
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Homework Statement
Get a vector equation of the line that pass by the point P and intersect with the straight line R and S
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I think that we can say that PPR = α*PRPS
where PR and PS are the points where occurs the intersection on the line R and S.
Obs: line r and s are found by knowing that the straight line intersection of two planes are
n1 X n2 [cross product]

Lr = (0,1,-2) + y(-1,1,1)
Ls = (0,1,-1) + u(1,2,1)

This leave us to three equation and three incognits

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Three real solution, but the answer is that is impossible, why?
 

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I'm not quite sure what you actually want, but I don't think your equation for ##L_r## satisfies your definition for line ##r##.
 
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LCSphysicist said:
I think that we can say that PPR = α*PRPS
where PR and PS are the points where occurs the intersection on the line R and S.
I agree
Obs: line r and s are found by knowing that the straight line intersection of two planes are
n1 X n2 [cross product]
I presume you are referring to (1) the plane containing point P and line R and (2) the plane containing point P and line S. Yes it's correct, and a good insight, that the line we seek lies in the intersection of those two planes.
Lr = (0,1,-2) + y(-1,1,1)
Parametrising on y, I get Lr = (-1, 0, -1) + y(-1, 1, -1), which differs from yours in 4 out of 6 places.
Why did you not parametrise on x, which is easier? :
Lr = (0, 1, -2) + x(1, -1, 1)
If we replace your y by x, what you wrote is closer to this, but still differs in two places.
Ls = (0,1,-1) + u(1,2,1)
I agree with this one, and we could replace u by x so as to parametrise in the same way as we did for Lr, to write
Ls = (0,1,-1) + x(1,2,1)
This leave us to three equation and three incognits

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Three real solution, but the answer is that is impossible, why?
I couldn't quite follow this. I expected to see the equation written as follows:
$$y = a_yx + b_y$$
$$z = a_zx + b_z$$
(assuming the line is not perpendicular to the x axis)

I haven't done the calcs but perhaps if you correct your parametrisations as per above, your solution will match that in the book.
 
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LCSphysicist said:
Obs: line r and s are found by knowing that the straight line intersection of two planes are
n1 X n2 [cross product]
andrewkirk said:
I presume you are referring to (1) the plane containing point P and line R and (2) the plane containing point P and line S.
I interpreted @LCSphysicist's remark as referring to the fact line R (and likewise line S) is given in terms of two planes, z=z(x) and y=y(x). Taking the cross product of their normals gives a vector parallel to their line of intersection.
 
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LCSphysicist said:
I think that we can say that PPR = α*PRPS

Lr = (0,1,-2)+ y(-1,1,1)
Please explain your PPR, PRPS notation.
Did you mean Lr = (0,1,-2)+ y(1,-1,1)?
Reusing y is confusing. How about u and v as the parameters?

No idea how you got your last trio of equations, but I would rebase the origin to be at P. Then all you need is a point on each of R and S (i.e. u and v values) such that their vector representations are collinear (cross product is zero). Add back in P at the end.

The attachment appears to be a different question.
 
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Update: my relatively simple method still gave crazy answers. I believe the problem is that the line S is parallel to the plane containing P and R (and likewise mutatis mutandis). So there are no solutions.

Fwiw, here's my method in general:
Normalise so that P is the origin. Represent the points on lines R and S parametrically as ##\vec R+r\vec R'##, etc.
If r and s are the parameters for the points where the sought line intersects them, the vectors for these points are collinear, so have a zero cross product:
##(\vec R+r\vec R')\times(\vec S+s\vec S')=0##
Expanding, and taking the dot product with ##\vec S'## to eliminate references to s:
##r=-\frac{\vec S'.(\vec R\times\vec S)}{\vec S'.(\vec R'\times\vec S)}=-\frac{\vec R.(\vec S'\times\vec S)}{\vec R'.(\vec S'\times\vec S)}##
 
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FAQ: Why Are There No Solutions to This Vector Equation Problem?

1. What is a vector equation?

A vector equation is a mathematical representation of a line or plane in three-dimensional space using vectors. It is written in the form r = r0 + tv, where r is the position vector, r0 is the initial point on the line, t is a scalar variable, and v is the direction vector of the line.

2. How do you find the vector equation of a line?

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