Finding angular velocity after block is moved from middle to outside of disc

In summary, the conversation discusses the problem of finding the turntable's rotation angular velocity when a block is shot outward along a frictionless groove. The conversation states that energy is conserved in this process and provides calculations for finding the final rotational inertia and final energy. However, the conversation concludes that the answer obtained using conservation of energy is incorrect. The expert suggests using conservation of momentum (or angular momentum) instead, as it is always conserved in cases with zero net force or torque.
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Homework Statement



A 200 g, 42.0-cm-diameter turntable rotates on frictionless bearings at 56.0 rpm. A 20.0 g block sits at the center of the turntable. A compressed spring shoots the block radically outward along a frictionless groove in the surface of the turntable.

What is the turntable's rotation angular velocity when the block reaches the outer edge?

Homework Equations



Ei=Ef
.5Iw^2 (initial) = .5Iw^2 (final)

For finding the final rotational inertia:
I(final) = Icm + Md^2 = .5MR^2 + md^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I believe that energy is conserved in this process so the equation above is valid. I calculated the final rotational inertia to be (1/2)*(0.2kg)*(0.21m)^2 + (0.02kg)*(0.21m)^2 = 0.005292

The initial energy is (.5)*(.5*0.2kg*0.21m^2)*(56rpm)^2 = 6.915

The final energy is (.5)*(0.005292)*wfinal^2

Solving for wfinal I get 53.6 rpm. I've done the calculations repeatedly and I can't come up with an alternate way of doing it but this answer is not correct. Any ideas?

Thank you so much in advance!
 
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hi snoworskate! :smile:
snoworskate said:
… I believe that energy is conserved in this process so the equation above is valid

I can't come up with an alternate way of doing it but this answer is not correct. Any ideas?

never never never use conservation of energy if you can use conservation of momentum (or angular momentum).

Momentum (or angular momentum) is always conserved (if there is zero net force or torque, as in this case).

Energy usually isn't conserved, and virtually never is in exam questions unless the question gives a pretty clear hint that it is. :wink:
 
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Wow, that was MUCH easier. Thanks so much, I'll remember that!
 

FAQ: Finding angular velocity after block is moved from middle to outside of disc

What is angular velocity?

Angular velocity is a measure of the rate at which an object rotates or revolves around an axis. It is usually denoted by the Greek letter omega (ω) and is measured in radians per second.

How do you calculate angular velocity?

Angular velocity can be calculated by dividing the change in angular displacement (θ) by the change in time (t). The equation for angular velocity is ω = Δθ/Δt.

What is the significance of moving a block from the middle to the outside of a disc?

Moving a block from the middle to the outside of a disc changes the moment of inertia of the system. This means that the distribution of mass around the axis of rotation is altered, which affects the angular velocity of the disc.

How does the change in angular velocity after moving the block affect the system?

The change in angular velocity after moving the block affects the kinetic energy and angular momentum of the system. It also impacts the speed and direction of the disc's rotation.

Can the angular velocity be determined experimentally?

Yes, the angular velocity can be determined experimentally by using a tachometer or a strobe light to measure the rotational speed of the disc before and after the block is moved. This data can then be used to calculate the angular velocity using the equation ω = Δθ/Δt.

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