Finding Concavity: Solve with x's and y's | Rutgers

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In summary, the conversation involves finding the second derivative of a function at a given point to determine the concavity of the graph. The recommended method is to implicitly differentiate twice and solve for y'' before plugging in the given point. The initial expression for y(x) is not necessary for solving the problem.
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I am given this problem to do but I'm not absolutely sure how to get through it. The way I would do is to find y' in terms of x's and y's and then plugin the point (1,2) and then take the derivative again and see if y'' is positve (curve up) or negative (curve down). Is this the best way to go about this problem or is it completely wrong or what?
 
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Yes. Concavity is determined by the second derivative.

So implicitly differentiate twice and get an expression for d^2y/dx^2 in terms of x and y. Then plug in (1,2).

And whatever you do, ignore that ugly-looking expression for y(x)! That will make your life very, very, very miserable.

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Yes. Concavity is determined by the second derivative.

So implicitly differentiate twice and get an expression for d^2y/dx^2 in terms of x and y. Then plug in (1,2).

And whatever you do, ignore that ugly-looking expression for y(x)! That will make your life very, very, very miserable.

cookiemonster

I calculated the first derivative and got 15x^(2)y+5x^(3)y'-3y^(2)-6xyy'+3y^(2)y'=0. is this correct and if so, what do i do after this? express in terms of y'?
 
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Yes. Now solve for y' and then differentiate again. Then solve for y'' and substitute away any y' you see. Then just plug in values.

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Thanks! I got it.
 

FAQ: Finding Concavity: Solve with x's and y's | Rutgers

What is concavity?

Concavity is the measure of the curvature of a function. It tells us whether the graph of a function is curving upwards (concave up) or downwards (concave down) at a specific point.

How do you find the concavity of a function?

To find the concavity of a function, we need to take the second derivative of the function. If the second derivative is positive, the function is concave up. If it is negative, the function is concave down. If the second derivative is zero, the concavity cannot be determined.

What is the process for solving for concavity using x's and y's?

The process for solving for concavity using x's and y's involves taking the first and second derivative of the function with respect to x. Then, we set the second derivative equal to zero and solve for x. The resulting x-values will give us the points of inflection, where the concavity changes.

Can you give an example of finding concavity using x's and y's?

Sure! Let's take the function f(x) = x^3 - 6x^2 + 9x. We first take the derivatives:f'(x) = 3x^2 - 12x + 9f''(x) = 6x - 12Setting f''(x) = 0, we get x = 2. This means that at x = 2, the concavity changes from concave down to concave up.

How does finding concavity relate to real-world applications?

Finding concavity can be useful in various real-world applications, such as in physics and economics. In physics, it can help determine the direction of acceleration of an object, while in economics, it can be used to analyze the behavior of a market. Additionally, understanding concavity can also aid in optimization problems, where we want to find the maximum or minimum value of a function.

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