Finding expression for mass with tension, gravity and point charges

In summary: L, d, and g?In summary, the problem involves two charged spheres suspended by a massless thread at equilibrium. The first sphere has a charge of q and mass m, while the second sphere has a charge of 2q and mass M. The distance between the two spheres is d, and the thread makes an angle (theta) with the vertical. The summary then goes on to discuss finding an expression for the mass of the first sphere in terms of q, L, theta, d, g, and k (Coulomb constant), and an expression for the tension in the thread. The solution involves using the distance between the spheres to find the force of repulsion on q
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Homework Statement



A small sphere carrying a charge of q with mass m is suspended from point A by a massless thread of length L, as shown in the figure. A second sphere carrying a charge of 2q with mass M is suspended from a fixed rod from point B. The distance between A and B is equal to d. At equilibrium the two spheres lie in the same horizontal plane and the thread makes an angle (theta) with the vertical.

a.) draw a free body diagram for the sphere suspended from point A.
b.) find an expression for the mass m in terms of q, L, theta, d ,g (gravitation acceleration), and k( Coulumb constant)
c. Find an espression for the tension T in the tread

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The Attempt at a Solution



My free body diagram consits of three forces: Fg pointing directly down from the sphere, Fe pointing directly left from the sphere. The problem doresn't have any negative charges so i figured they would be repeling therefore pointing left away from 2q. and I have Ft on L pointing upwards.

I have no idea how to approach the expression for mass. I was thinking that all the forces acting on the system would equal 0, but I don't know how to incorporate that into anything.

For c I did some searching online. So now I know the vertical component of tension to be equal to Fg. Fx then, would be equal to Fg(tangent(theta)) So Ft = Fg(tan(theta)) + Fg?
 

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Hi wildredhead, welcome to PF.
In the equilibrium position, what is the distance between the two charged spheres?
Once you know this distance, find the force of repulsion F on q.
Equate this force with one component of T. Equate the other component of T with mg.
 
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rl.bhat said:
Hi wildredhead, welcome to PF.
In the equilibrium position, what is the distance between the two charged spheres?
Once you know this distance, find the force of repulsion F on q.
Equate this force with one component of T. Equate the other component of T with mg.

the distance between the spheres would be something like the Lsin(theta) + d. Right? I use this in the Fe calculation... Fe= kq2q/Lsin(theta) +d. So I then use that as my x component for my tension force. Then the expression for mass is just g/F =M? I totally should have taken physics 2 right after physics 1 and not wait a semester.
 
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"kq2q/Lsin(theta) +d"
This should be
kq2q/(Lsin(theta) +d)^2
Next T*sinθ = Fe
T*cosθ = mg.
Now solve for m and T. Mass M does not come into picture.
 
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Hey guys I have a similar problem to solve. I am stuck on the second part. I got the first part of the equation which is kq2q/lsin(thta) +d. Would we equal that to MG since F=MG? and then solve for M
 

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