Finding Intersection of Tangents on a Circle

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In summary: Your result is not correct. Check the signs in your derivation. In summary, the homework statement is two points lie on a circle, the tangents to the circle at these points meet at the point z_{3}. The centre of the given circle is (0,0). z_{1}, z_{2}, z_{3} and 0 are concyclic. Now what to do next?
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Homework Statement


Two points represented by [itex]z_{1}, z_{2}[/itex] lie on circle |z|=1, the tangents to the circle at these points meet at the point represented by

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The Attempt at a Solution


Let the tangents meet at the point [itex]z_{3}[/itex]. The centre of the given circle is (0,0).
∴ [itex]z_{1}, z_{2}, z_{3} and 0[/itex] are concyclic. Now what to do next?
 
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utkarshakash said:

Homework Statement


Two points represented by [itex]z_{1}, z_{2}[/itex] lie on circle |z|=1, the tangents to the circle at these points meet at the point represented by

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


Let the tangents meet at the point [itex]z_{3}[/itex]. The centre of the given circle is (0,0).
[itex]z_{1}, z_{2}, z_{3} and 0[/itex] are concyclic. Now what to do next?

It is not true. z1 and z2 are on the circle which centre is (0,0) z3 can not lie on the circle.

Find the equations of the tangent line and the point where they cross each other.

ehild
 
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ehild said:
It is not true. z1 and z2 are on the circle which centre is (0,0) z3 can not lie on the circle.

Find the equations of the tangent line and the point where they cross each other.

ehild

I'm not saying that [itex]z_{3}[/itex] will lie on the circle with centre (0,0), Instead the 4 points which I mentioned will lie on some other circle and the centre of that circle will be the mid-point of line joining [itex]z_{3}[/itex] and 0.
 
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Sorry, I misunderstood you. You are right, z1,z2, (0,0)and z3 are on a circle. Find z3 in terms of z1 and z2. One possible way is to write up the equations of the tangent lines and find the intersection. Do you know the equation of a straight line in term of its normal? ehild
 
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ehild said:
Sorry, I misunderstood you. You are right, z1,z2, (0,0)and z3 are on a circle. Find z3 in terms of z1 and z2. One possible way is to write up the equations of the tangent lines and find the intersection. Do you know the equation of a straight line in term of its normal?


ehild

I know how to write equation of tangents in terms of x and y but not in the form of z. But I know the equation of a complex line.
 
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A complex number has x and y components like a vector in a plane. Write up the equations of the tangents in terms of x1,y1 and x2,y2. The coordinates of the point of intersection are x3,y3. You can convert it to the complex number z3=x3+iy3.

ehild
 
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ehild said:
A complex number has x and y components like a vector in a plane. Write up the equations of the tangents in terms of x1,y1 and x2,y2. The coordinates of the point of intersection are x3,y3. You can convert it to the complex number z3=x3+iy3.

ehild

But I have to give the answer in terms of z1 and z2 and converting the answer to the required form will be calculative. Any other methods or should I go with this?
 
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Do it as you can and we will see.

ehild
 
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ehild said:
Do it as you can and we will see.

ehild

After writing the equation in terms of x and y and then simultaneously solving the two lines I get


[itex] \LARGE z_{3}= \frac{y_{2}-y_{1}}{x_{1}y_{2}-x_{2}y_{1}} + i \frac{x_{1}-x_{2}}{x_{1}y_{2}-x_{2}y_{1}}[/itex]



Now how do I represent this in terms of z1 and z2?
 
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z=x+iy. x=Re(z) or (z+z*)/2; y=Im(z) or y=(z-z*)/2i. (* means complex conjugate)

ehild
 
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ehild said:
z=x+iy. x=Re(z) or (z+z*)/2; y=Im(z) or y=(z-z*)/2i. (* means complex conjugate)

ehild

After simplification I get

[itex] \LARGE z_{3}= \frac{2(z_{2}-z_{1}- \overline{z_{1}})}{\overline{z_{1}}z_{2}-z_{1} \overline{z_{2}}}[/itex]

But this is not the correct answer.
 
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utkarshakash said:
After simplification I get

[itex] \LARGE z_{3}= \frac{2(z_{2}-z_{1}- \overline{z_{1}})}{\overline{z_{1}}z_{2}-z_{1} \overline{z_{2}}}[/itex]

But this is not the correct answer.

Your result is not correct. Check the signs in your derivation.

ehild
 

FAQ: Finding Intersection of Tangents on a Circle

What is the intersection of tangents?

The intersection of tangents is the point where two tangent lines intersect on a curve or circle. It is the point of contact between the curve and the tangent lines at that specific point.

How do you find the intersection of tangents?

To find the intersection of tangents, you must first find the tangent lines at the given point on the curve. Then, you can solve for the point of intersection by setting the equations of the tangent lines equal to each other and solving for the coordinates of the point.

What is the significance of the intersection of tangents?

The intersection of tangents is significant because it allows us to find the slope of a curve at a specific point. It is also used in many real-life applications, such as finding the maximum or minimum values of a curve.

Can there be more than one intersection of tangents on a curve?

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The derivative of a function at a specific point is equal to the slope of the tangent line at that point. Therefore, the intersection of tangents is related to the derivative as it allows us to find the slope of the curve at that specific point.

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