Finding Omega and Zeta from a Magnitude and Phase Plot

In summary: The phase in a true second order system approaches 180° at infinity, so your system seems to have some higher order term because it apparently goes beyond 220°.
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Loppyfoot
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I've been asked to estimate ωn and ζ from the magnitude and phase plot of an atomic force microscope. The magnitude and phase plot is attached.

Does anyone know how to solve for these values?
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The -3dB bandwidth will give you Q, and Q is related to ζ
 
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NascentOxygen said:
The -3dB bandwidth will give you Q, and Q is related to ζ

Could you elaborate? Where does this -3dB bandwidth come from? Is Q inversely related to the damping ratio, ζ?

Thanks for your help.
 
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I suggest that you try a google search for the details.
 
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I was able to calculate the value for the damping ratio; but I am having trouble finding the value of the natural frequency. Any ideas on how to solve for the natural frequency?
 
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Loppyfoot said:
I was able to calculate the value for the damping ratio; but I am having trouble finding the value of the natural frequency. Any ideas on how to solve for the natural frequency?
Because the system is so underdamped, the natural frequency is practically equal to the frequency where the response peaks. (Which looks suspiciously co-incident with that 90° crossing on the phase plot, though off-hand I can't say that's right.) I suppose you are approximating this to a second-order system?
 
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NascentOxygen said:
Because the system is so underdamped, the natural frequency is practically equal to the frequency where the response peaks. (Which looks suspiciously co-incident with that 90° crossing on the phase plot, though off-hand I can't say that's right.) I suppose you are approximating this to a second-order system?

Yes, I am assuming that the AFM cantilever is being modeled as a second order system. With the cantilever tune, the phase curve is set to 90° of the resonant frequency. So would I be close enough in estimating that the natural frequency is 72.7 kHz?
 
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Loppyfoot said:
Yes, I am assuming that the AFM cantilever is being modeled as a second order system. With the cantilever tune, the phase curve is set to 90° of the resonant frequency. So would I be close enough in estimating that the natural frequency is 72.7 kHz?
Most likely. Though there is an equation relating frequency at the peak and ζ back to Ѡn if you really wanted to be precise.

The phase in a true second order system approaches 180° at infinity, so your system seems to have some higher order term because it apparently goes beyond 220°.
 

FAQ: Finding Omega and Zeta from a Magnitude and Phase Plot

How do I determine the values of Omega and Zeta from a magnitude and phase plot?

The values of Omega and Zeta can be determined by finding the peak frequency and the corresponding phase shift on the magnitude and phase plot. Omega is equal to the peak frequency, while Zeta can be calculated by taking the tangent of the phase shift at the peak frequency.

What is the significance of finding Omega and Zeta from a magnitude and phase plot?

Finding Omega and Zeta from a magnitude and phase plot allows us to analyze the frequency response and damping characteristics of a system. It also helps in understanding the stability and behavior of the system.

Can Omega and Zeta be calculated if the magnitude and phase plot is not available?

Yes, Omega and Zeta can be calculated using the transfer function of the system. The transfer function can be derived from the differential equations governing the system and then used to calculate the values of Omega and Zeta.

How do I interpret the values of Omega and Zeta for a system?

The value of Omega represents the natural frequency of the system, while Zeta represents the damping ratio. A higher value of Zeta indicates a higher damping in the system, which means the system will return to its equilibrium position faster.

Can the values of Omega and Zeta change over time?

Yes, the values of Omega and Zeta can change over time if the system is undergoing any changes. For example, if the system parameters change, the values of Omega and Zeta will also change. In such cases, a new magnitude and phase plot can be generated to determine the updated values of Omega and Zeta.

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