Finding Perfect Squares with $n^4 + 33$

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In summary, the formula for finding perfect squares in the expression $n^4 + 33$ is $n^2 + \sqrt{33}$. This means that the square root of 33 must be added to the square of any natural number, n, to get a perfect square. The expression $n^4 + 33$ can equal a perfect square, with the smallest value of n being 4. Other values of n, such as 8, 12, 16, and 20, can also result in a perfect square, but not all values of n will. Additionally, the expression $n^4 + 33$ can never be a perfect square for negative values of n, as the result
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Find, with proof, all the positive integers $n$ such that $n^4 + 33$ is a perfect square.
 
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Find, with proof, all the positive integers $n$ such that $n^4 + 33$ is a perfect square.

let $x^2 = n^4+ 33$

so $33 = (x^2-n^4) = (x+n^2)(x-n^2)$ = $33*1$= $11*3$

gives 2 solutions to be checked

$x+n^2= 33$ and $x-n^2= 1$ => $x= 17$ and $n^2 = 16$ which is a perfect square so n = 4

or

$x+n^2= 11$ and $x-n^2= 3$ => $x= 7$ and $n^2 = 4$ which is a perfect square so n = 2

so we get $2^4 + 33 = 49= 7^2$

and $4^4 + 33 = 289= 17^2$

n = 2 or 4
 
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Nicely done.
 
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Alternatively, $n^4 = (n^2)^2$ and so eventually $(n^2 + 1)^2 - (n^2)^2 > 33$ at which point $n^4 + 33$ is strictly between two perfect squares (and so cannot be one). This upper bound is attained when:
$$(n^2 + 1)^2 - (n^2)^2 > 33 ~ ~ ~ \iff ~ ~ ~ 2n^2 + 1 > 33 ~ ~ ~ \iff ~ ~ ~ n > 4$$
Hence it suffices to check $0 \leq n \leq 4$, and we quickly find that:
$$n = 0 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ 0^4 + 33 = 33$$
$$n = 1 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ 1^4 + 33 = 34$$
$$n = 2 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ 2^4 + 33 = 49 = 7^2$$
$$n = 3 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ 3^4 + 33 = 114$$
$$n = 4 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ 4^4 + 33 = 289 = 17^2$$
So the solutions are $n = 2$, $n = 4$.
 
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Bacterius said:
Alternatively, $n^4 = (n^2)^2$ and so eventually $(n^2 + 1)^2 - (n^2)^2 > 33$ at which point $n^4 + 33$ is strictly between two perfect squares (and so cannot be one). This upper bound is attained when:
$$(n^2 + 1)^2 - (n^2)^2 > 33 ~ ~ ~ \iff ~ ~ ~ 2n^2 + 1 > 33 ~ ~ ~ \iff ~ ~ ~ n > 4$$
Hence it suffices to check $0 \leq n \leq 4$, and we quickly find that:
$$n = 0 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ 0^4 + 33 = 33$$
$$n = 1 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ 1^4 + 33 = 34$$
$$n = 2 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ 2^4 + 33 = 49 = 7^2$$
$$n = 3 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ 3^4 + 33 = 114$$
$$n = 4 ~ ~ ~ \implies ~ ~ ~ 4^4 + 33 = 289 = 17^2$$
So the solutions are $n = 2$, $n = 4$.

as 33 is 1 mod 4, n has to be even because $n^4+33$ cannot be 2 mod 4, so we need not check for odd n so check for 0,2,4 only
 

FAQ: Finding Perfect Squares with $n^4 + 33$

What is the formula for finding perfect squares in the expression $n^4 + 33$?

The formula for finding perfect squares in the expression $n^4 + 33$ is $n^2 + \sqrt{33}$. This means that the square root of 33 must be added to the square of any natural number, n, to get a perfect square.

Can the expression $n^4 + 33$ ever equal a perfect square?

Yes, the expression $n^4 + 33$ can equal a perfect square. For example, when n = 4, the expression becomes $4^4 + 33 = 49$, which is a perfect square. However, not all values of n will result in a perfect square.

What is the smallest value of n that will result in a perfect square in the expression $n^4 + 33$?

The smallest value of n that will result in a perfect square in the expression $n^4 + 33$ is 4. As mentioned in the previous answer, when n = 4, the expression becomes $4^4 + 33 = 49$, which is a perfect square.

Are there any other values of n that will result in a perfect square in the expression $n^4 + 33$?

Yes, there are other values of n that will result in a perfect square in the expression $n^4 + 33$. Some examples include n = 8, 12, 16, 20, etc. However, not all values of n will result in a perfect square.

Can the expression $n^4 + 33$ ever be a perfect square for negative values of n?

No, the expression $n^4 + 33$ can never be a perfect square for negative values of n. This is because the square of any negative number will always result in a positive number, and when 33 is added, the result will always be greater than a perfect square.

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