Finding Points Where dy/dx of (y-2)^3 + y(x-6) = 0 Does Not Exist

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In summary, the conversation discusses finding points on the curve (y-2)^3 + y(x-6) = 0 where the derivative, dy/dx, does not exist. The first approach involves finding the point where dx=0, which requires taking the partial derivative with respect to y. The second approach involves graphically analyzing the curve, where it appears that there are multiple points where the derivative may not exist. The conversation also suggests solving for x in terms of y to find points where the derivative does not exist.
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At what points on the curve (y-2)^3 + y(x-6) = 0 does dy/dx not exist?

So I've tried a few approaches:
1. find point where dx=0, since -Fx/Fy = dy/dx, therefore also Fy=0. So I took the partial derivative wrt y and got another equation, 3(y-2)^2 + (x-6) = 0. From here I don't know where to go.

2. Graphically:

[PLAIN]http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP296019ha1c8h91aed5c300005983bc124ea5gai3?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=10&w=200&h=205&cdf=Coordinates&cdf=Tooltips

From this it would seem that approximately when x<-20, there is no derivative or no defined derivative since there is more than one?

But how do I find this algebraically?

Thanks

Jay
 
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It is true that F(x,y) = (y-2)3 + y(x-6) = 0 does not define a single implicit function of x. There are three separate functions defined as your graph shows. What you are looking for is vertical tangent lines. As you have noticed, one such point is (6,2). What isn't so obvious is there is another point on the curve that gives a zero denominator. One way to find it is to solve F(x,y) = 0 together with your denominator Fy(x,y)=0. That will get points on the curve where the derivative doesn't exist.

Another way, which works in this particular equation, is to solve for x in terms of y in the original function, and calculate where dx/dy = 0.
 
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Thanks a lot,

I'll reply again if I need more help

Jay
 

FAQ: Finding Points Where dy/dx of (y-2)^3 + y(x-6) = 0 Does Not Exist

What is the equation for finding points where dy/dx does not exist?

The equation is (y-2)^3 + y(x-6) = 0.

How do you determine if a point is where dy/dx does not exist?

A point where dy/dx does not exist is when the derivative is undefined or when the slope is vertical.

What are some common causes for dy/dx to not exist?

Some common causes include a discontinuity in the function, a sharp point in the graph, or a vertical tangent line.

Is it possible for dy/dx to not exist at more than one point?

Yes, it is possible for dy/dx to not exist at multiple points on a graph. This often occurs when there are multiple discontinuities or sharp points.

How can I graphically determine where dy/dx does not exist?

You can determine where dy/dx does not exist by examining the graph of the function. Look for any sudden changes or sharp points, as well as any vertical tangent lines. These points will indicate where the derivative is undefined.

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