Finding the E field direction of integration

In summary, when finding the electric field at a perpendicular distance from a line of charge, you integrate the equation dE = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{\lambda}{r^2}dl from one end of the line to the other. It is important to note the direction of integration, as reversing the integral terminals will give the negative of the original answer. This is due to the use of an oriented notion of integration, where displacements towards positive infinity are considered positive. However, there are also unsigned notions of integration that can be used.
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If you have a line of charge with charge density [tex]\lambda=\frac{dq}{dl}[/tex] and you want to find the electric field at a perpendicular distance z from the midpoint, you get

[tex]dE = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{\lambda}{r^2}dl[/tex]

Then you integrate [tex]dE[/tex] from one end of the line of charge to the other. (e.g. [tex]\int_{-L}^L ... dl[/tex])

Obviously if you reverse the integral terminals you get the negative of your original answer, but physically, why should reversing integral terminals even matter? (i.e. [tex]\int_L^{-L}...dl[/tex])

After all, the physical interpretation of the integral is just summing up the little [tex]dq[/tex]s over the line, what does it matter which direction you do it in? And importantly, how do you know which is the correct direction to sum up the [tex]dq[/tex]s?

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what does it matter which direction you do it in?
Because one way has positive length, and the other way has negative length.

And importantly, how do you know which is the correct direction
The real line is oriented so that displacements towards [itex]+\infty[/itex] are positive.


Why do the signs creep in? Because you are using an oriented notion of integration -- a parametrized curve (from -L to L) with respect to a differential form ([itex]d\ell[/itex]).

There are unsigned notions of integration. If you have a measure (say, [itex]\mu[/itex]), you can define integrals over sets -- e.g.
[tex]\int_{S} \ldots d\mu[/tex]​
Of course, it turns out that integrals of the standard length measure on R over intervals can be computed in the oriented way:
[tex]\int_{[-L,L]} f \, d\mu = \int_{-L}^L f(x) \, dx = -\int_L^{-L} f(x) \, dx[/tex]​
(I'm assuming L>0 in the above)
 
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FAQ: Finding the E field direction of integration

How do I determine the direction of integration for the electric field?

To determine the direction of integration for the electric field, you need to use the right-hand rule. Point your thumb in the direction of the electric field and curl your fingers. The direction in which your fingers curl is the direction of integration.

What is the significance of finding the direction of integration for the electric field?

The direction of integration for the electric field is important because it helps determine the direction of the electric flux and the magnitude of the electric field at a given point. It also helps in understanding the direction of the electric force on a charged particle in that region.

Can the direction of integration for the electric field change?

Yes, the direction of integration for the electric field can change based on the orientation of the electric field lines. It is important to always check the direction of integration when solving problems involving electric fields.

What is the difference between positive and negative direction of integration for the electric field?

The direction of integration for the electric field can be either positive or negative. The positive direction refers to the direction in which the electric field points, while the negative direction is the opposite direction. This is used to indicate the direction of the electric field lines in a vector field diagram.

Is the direction of integration for the electric field always in the same direction as the electric field itself?

No, the direction of integration for the electric field is not always in the same direction as the electric field itself. It depends on the orientation of the electric field lines and the location of the point of interest. It is important to use the right-hand rule to determine the correct direction of integration in each case.

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