Finding the nontrivial zeros of Tan x = x

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In summary, the conversation is about finding the first non-trivial zero of the function (\tan \lambda) - \lambda. The speaker is unsure about how to show that the first non-trivial zero is bounded and asks for clarification. They realize that they need to look for solutions in the range of pi and 3pi/2, and potentially in the negative direction as well. The problem-poser may have meant to use the function instead of the equation.
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I can do the first part no problem.

I then drew the graph, am I right in saying there is an infinite sequence because the lines intersect an infinite amount of times, because tan is periodic and has vertical asymptotes?

I have no idea about showing why the first non rivial zero is bounded like that. I would have thought the trivial zero was at the origin, and the first non trivial was in the range of 0<lambda<pi/2.

What am I not understanding here?

Thanks

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oh I think I'm suppose to be looking for solutions in the range of pi and 3pi/2?
 
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oh I think I'm suppose to be looking for solutions in the range of pi and 3pi/2?

...because [itex]\lambda[/itex] is a positive number, so the first non-trivial zero of the equation will be in the next quadrant where [itex]\tan \lambda[/itex] is positive, and you're after [itex]\lambda^{2}[/itex].

[EDIT: On thinking about this a little more, we could also go in the negative direction, since [itex]\tan \lambda [/itex] and [itex] \lambda [/itex] both have odd symmetry and we're looking for solutions for [itex]\lambda^{2}[/itex]... But it is easier to think about going in the positive direction.]

BTW, I think the problem-poser means the first non-trivial zero of the function [itex](\tan \lambda ) - \lambda [/itex] ; that last statement reads a little strangely...
 
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FAQ: Finding the nontrivial zeros of Tan x = x

What is the significance of finding the nontrivial zeros of Tan x = x?

Finding the nontrivial zeros of Tan x = x is important in many mathematical and scientific fields, as it can provide insights into the behavior of trigonometric functions and their relationships to other functions. It can also aid in solving various equations and problems involving trigonometry.

How are nontrivial zeros of Tan x = x different from trivial zeros?

The trivial zeros of Tan x = x are the values of x where the function equals zero, which are x = 0, ±π, ±2π, ±3π, etc. Nontrivial zeros, on the other hand, are the values of x where the function equals a non-zero value. These zeros are typically more difficult to find and have a greater significance in mathematical analysis.

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