Finding the shape of a hanging rope

In summary, "Finding the shape of a hanging rope" explores the mathematical modeling of the catenary curve, which describes the shape formed by a flexible, uniform rope suspended by its endpoints under the influence of gravity. The analysis involves differential equations to derive the catenary equation, demonstrating how the tension and weight of the rope contribute to its unique form, distinct from a simple parabola. The study has applications in engineering and architecture, particularly in the design of structures like bridges and arches.
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Homework Statement
given two poles at a distance between them and a rope that it's length is bigger than the distance between them, describe the shape of the rope.
Relevant Equations
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i started to think to maybe do an integral to find the minimum area, and then I thought that the area itself is not sufficient because there is more material depending on the slope. so I thought to do an integral depending on the length instead of x.
##dh^{2}=dx^{2}+dy^{2}##

##\int{}f(x)dh= \int{}f(x)\sqrt{dx^{2}+dy^{2}}##
##dy=\frac{dy}{dx}dx=dx f'(x)##
##\int{}f(x)\sqrt{dx^{2}+f'(x)^{2}dx^{2}}=\int{}f(x)\sqrt{f'(x)^{2}+1} dx^{2}##
how can I get a minimum to solvw this question?
 
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You can edit your post to fix latex issues rather than constantly making an entirely new post.
 
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Look up the catenary and the principle of least action.
 
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You only have an integral describing the potential energy but without restrictions on the string length. In order to find an actual minimum of the potential energy, you will furthermore need to impose additional constraints for the string length. There are several ways in which you can do this.

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Look up the catenary and the principle of least action.
Nothing is moving here so the principle of stationary* action is not really needed. Only minimizing the potential energy.

* The ”principle of least action” is a misnomer. It is more accurate to use ”stationary” as the solution may be a maximum or saddle point as well.
 
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FAQ: Finding the shape of a hanging rope

What is the shape of a hanging rope called?

The shape of a hanging rope is called a catenary. It is the curve that a flexible chain or rope assumes under its own weight when supported at its ends.

How is the catenary curve mathematically defined?

The catenary curve can be mathematically defined by the hyperbolic cosine function: y = a * cosh(x/a), where 'a' is a constant that describes the curve's steepness and 'cosh' is the hyperbolic cosine function.

What factors influence the shape of a hanging rope?

The shape of a hanging rope is influenced by several factors, including the length of the rope, the weight of the rope itself, the distance between the points of support, and any external forces such as wind or tension applied to the rope.

How can the catenary equation be derived?

The catenary equation can be derived using calculus, specifically by applying the principles of equilibrium and the calculus of variations. By minimizing the potential energy of the rope under the influence of gravity, one can arrive at the catenary equation.

What are some practical applications of understanding the catenary shape?

Understanding the catenary shape has practical applications in various fields, including engineering (for designing bridges and cables), architecture (in the design of arches and roofs), and physics (in studying the behavior of flexible materials under load).

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