Finding third charge coordinates in an equilibrium position

In summary, the conversation is about a problem with three charges and the formulas for the x and y coordinates of the third charge. The solution involves using the "point-slope" form of the equation of a straight line and considering the forces on one of the charges. There is discussion about the negative sign in the formula and the definition of θ. The end result is that the negative sign is due to the fact that sin(-θ)=-sin(θ).
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Homework Statement


Here are the problem statement and the solution. I'm stuck at where the book suggests the formulas for the x and y coordinations (highlighted in yellow) of the third charge. Any explanations or proof on how they came to the conclusion for the third charge coordinations would be much appreciated. Is there an easier solution for this problem?

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The given solution:

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Homework Equations


x3=x2-rcosθ
y3=y2-rsinθ

The Attempt at a Solution


I think it must have something to do with the "point-slope" form of the equation of a straight line, but stuck in finding a reasonable proof.
 
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Lazy, lazy, eh ? Perhaps you can at least make a drawing of the situation and post it, together with a non-empty attempt at solution. You know the guidelines at PF I hope !
 
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You highlighted collinear, so I assume you do not understand why they must be. Draw yourself a diagram of three charges not collinear and consider the forces on one of them. Can those forces be in balance?
 
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OK, I've progressed a bit. Now, I don't know why there is also a negative sign before rsinθ in y3=y2-rsinθ.
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AdrianMachin said:
y3=y2-rsinθ
What does the book solution state in parentheses immediately after that? Does that accord with the way you have drawn θ?
 
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haruspex said:
What does the book solution state in parentheses immediately after that? Does that accord with the way you have drawn θ?
So it means that the negative sign is because of the fact that sin(-θ)=-sin(θ)?
 
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Theta is the angle wrt the negative x-direction. That's all.
 
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AdrianMachin said:
So it means that the negative sign is because of the fact that sin(-θ)=-sin(θ)?
Yes.
They define θ as the angle the vector from q3 towards q1 makes to +ve x axis. By convention, that would mean anticlockwise from that axis. Your diagram shows θ measured clockwise from the axis, so your θ is minus their θ.
 
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FAQ: Finding third charge coordinates in an equilibrium position

How do you determine the equilibrium position for three charges?

To determine the equilibrium position for three charges, you must use the principle of superposition. This means that the net force on each charge must equal zero, and the charges must be in a stable geometric arrangement.

What equations are used to find the third charge coordinates?

The equations used to find the third charge coordinates are based on Coulomb's law and the principle of superposition. The equation is kQ/r² = F, where k is the Coulomb's constant, Q is the charge of the third particle, r is the distance between the third charge and the other two charges, and F is the net force on the third charge.

Can the third charge be placed anywhere in the equilibrium position?

No, the third charge must be placed in a specific location in order to maintain equilibrium. The exact location can be found by solving the equations mentioned in question 2.

What is the difference between stable and unstable equilibrium?

In stable equilibrium, the charges are in a stable geometric arrangement where any small displacement of the third charge from its position will result in a restoring force that brings it back to the equilibrium position. In unstable equilibrium, the charges are in an unstable geometric arrangement where any small displacement of the third charge will result in a net force that moves it further away from the equilibrium position.

Can the equilibrium position change over time?

Yes, the equilibrium position can change over time due to external factors such as the movement of other nearby charges or a change in the charges' magnitudes. It is important to recalculate the equilibrium position if any changes occur in order to maintain stability.

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