First Order in Time Derivatives + Phase Space

In summary, "First Order in Time Derivatives + Phase Space" discusses the mathematical formulation of dynamical systems using first-order time derivatives to describe the evolution of physical systems. It emphasizes the importance of phase space, a multidimensional space representing all possible states of a system, where each state is defined by its position and momentum. By applying first-order derivatives, the behavior of the system over time can be analyzed, allowing for insights into stability, trajectories, and conservation laws within the phase space framework. This approach is crucial for understanding complex systems in physics and engineering.
  • #1
thatboi
133
18
Hey all,
I am reading David Tong's notes on Chern-Simons: https://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/tong/qhe/five.pdf
and he makes the following statement that doesn't make much sense to me: "Because the Chern-Simons theory is first order in time derivatives, these Wilson loops are really parameterising the phase space of solutions, rather than the configuration space."
What exactly does he mean by "solutions"? Also what is the relation between being first order in time derivative and these different spaces.
 
  • Like
Likes gentzen and jbergman
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
thatboi said:
"Because the Chern-Simons theory is first order in time derivatives, these Wilson loops are really parameterising the phase space of solutions, rather than the configuration space."
What exactly does he mean by "solutions"? Also what is the relation between being first order in time derivative and these different spaces.
The phase space of a dynamical system defined by a stationary action principle is isomorphic to the space of initial conditions of the resulting system of differential equations. A differential equation for ##q(t)## that is first order in time needs the initial value for ##q## only, hence has the configuration space as phase space. But if the differential equation is of second order in time, one needs initial conditions on ##q## and its first time derivative, which after the conventional Legendre transform leads to a first order system in a Hamiltonian phase space that is ''twice as large'', whose points are labelled by ##(q,p)##.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
  • Informative
Likes thatboi, vanhees71 and gentzen

FAQ: First Order in Time Derivatives + Phase Space

What is meant by "First Order in Time Derivatives"?

"First Order in Time Derivatives" refers to differential equations where the highest derivative with respect to time is the first derivative. These equations describe systems where the rate of change of a variable is directly related to the variable itself and possibly other variables.

What is Phase Space?

Phase Space is a multidimensional space in which all possible states of a system are represented, with each state corresponding to one unique point in the phase space. For a mechanical system, it typically includes position and momentum coordinates.

How are First Order Time Derivatives used in Phase Space analysis?

First Order Time Derivatives are used to describe the evolution of a system's state within Phase Space. The system's trajectory through Phase Space is determined by solving these differential equations, which predict how the system evolves over time.

What is the significance of a system being first order in time derivatives?

The significance lies in the simplicity and tractability of such systems. First-order differential equations are generally easier to solve and analyze compared to higher-order equations. They often correspond to fundamental physical laws, such as Newton's first law of motion.

Can you provide an example of a physical system described by first-order time derivatives in phase space?

An example of such a system is a simple harmonic oscillator, such as a mass on a spring. The system can be described by first-order differential equations involving the position and momentum of the mass, forming a closed trajectory in phase space.

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
806
Replies
5
Views
920
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
6
Views
1K
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Back
Top