Force as gradient of potential function

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between equipotential surfaces and the force field at different points on those surfaces. It is possible for two points on an equipotential surface to have different values for the force field, as demonstrated by the example of a dipole. The density of field lines can vary on a surface, such as in the case of a charged metal needle, where the point has a higher density of field lines compared to the middle. However, this does not necessarily correspond to higher energy, as potential is equal. The conversation concludes by clarifying that the surface area is not always directly related to the density of field lines.
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JP O'Donnell
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Hi.

Is it possible for two separate points on an equipotential surface to have two different values for the force field?

eg, point A and point B lie on an equipotential surface, but the equipotential surface spacing is much denser at A than at B - so the force field at A as the gradient of the potential must be greater than that at B?

Is this right?
 
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  • #2
Yes, you're right.

A good example is to think about a dipole, and the line (really a surface) that runs halfway between them:

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The electric field changes as one moves along the horizontal line, and has a maximum when you are halfway between the charges.
 
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thanks.
 
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Thanks allot...but can anyone gives more examples for me please..
 
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Alia Al-Hajri said:
Thanks allot...but can anyone gives more examples for me please..
What about a charged metal needle? At the sharp point E is a lot higher then in the middle. In general any surface having the smaller radius has the higher density of field lines. Mind you higher local density doesn't equate to higher energy, this is so because the potential is equal.
 
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Per Oni said:
What about a charged metal needle? At the sharp point E is a lot higher then in the middle. In general any surface having the smaller radius has the higher density of field lines. Mind you higher local density doesn't equate to higher energy, this is so because the potential is equal.

Oh' ...Thank you..I really get the idea

I used to think that the surface area anything is a direct match with the density of field lines

So, That is not true!
 

FAQ: Force as gradient of potential function

What is force as gradient of potential function?

Force as gradient of potential function is a concept in physics that describes the relationship between a force and a potential energy. It states that a force can be derived from a potential energy function, where the force is equal to the negative gradient of the potential energy.

How is force related to potential energy?

Force is related to potential energy through the concept of a gradient. The gradient of a potential energy function represents the direction and magnitude of the force acting on an object. This means that as an object moves in a potential energy field, the force acting on it will change in the direction and magnitude of the gradient of the potential energy function.

What is the significance of force as gradient of potential function?

The concept of force as gradient of potential function is significant because it allows us to understand and predict the behavior of physical systems. By knowing the potential energy function of a system, we can determine the forces acting on the objects within that system and how they will move in response to those forces.

How is potential energy related to work?

Potential energy is related to work through the work-energy theorem, which states that the change in an object's kinetic energy is equal to the work done on the object. In the case of a conservative force, such as one derived from a potential energy function, the work done is equal to the negative change in potential energy.

Can force as gradient of potential function be applied to all systems?

Force as gradient of potential function can be applied to systems that are governed by conservative forces. This means that the force acting on an object is independent of the path taken and is only dependent on the initial and final positions of the object. In systems with non-conservative forces, such as friction, this concept cannot be applied.

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