Force on a Cyclist: Net Force Calculation

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In summary, the question is poorly posed and contains multiple errors. It is unclear what is meant by "friction" - whether it refers to rolling resistance or traditional friction. The given solution is also incorrect, with a sign error involving the "friction" force and a meaningless statement about the rider exerting a force of 450N.
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Homework Statement
A cyclist exerts a constant force of 450 N causing the bicycle to accelerate at 4.8 m s-2
until reaches a velocity of 20 m s-1 due west. Given that the combined mass of the
cyclist plus the bicycle is 120 kg, calculate (i) the net force (ii) the frictional force.
Relevant Equations
F=ma
My understanding is that the Net Force = Force Applied + Frictional Force. The net force is F=ma, so net force = 576N. Now 576N=450N + Frictional force, so frictional force has to be 126N.

My confusion is this:
1. Force is a vector, and the frictional force opposes the direction of motion. Therefore shouldn't friction turn out to be a negative?
2. If the applied force is 450N, then how can the net force be 576N, more than the force applied? If anything, I think that friction should cause the net force to be less than the applied force.

Here is the marking scheme (model answer) : https://prnt.sc/tyhQTEm0WKAw

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DarkEnergy890 said:
My confusion is this:
1. Force is a vector, and the frictional force opposes the direction of motion. Therefore shouldn't friction turn out to be a negative?
The model answer clearly show the friction acts east, which is a direction. Directions can be north, south, east, west etc. Not just ##\pm##.
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2. If the applied force is 450N, then how can the net force be 576N, more than the force applied? If anything, I think that friction should cause the net force to be less than the applied force.
A bicycle has pedals, gears and wheels that allow a force to be magnified, as it were. That's why it's possible to cycle uphill comfortably in low gear.
DarkEnergy890 said:
Here is the marking scheme (model answer) : https://prnt.sc/tyhQTEm0WKAw
That answer looks completely wrong to me. The force of the cyclist on the bicycle produces an equal and opposite force of the bicyle on the cyclist. These are therefore internal forces that cancel out.

The entire accelerating force must come from static friction of the tyres on the ground. Draw a free-body diagram and you'll see that the force from the ground on the bicycle must be ##576 \ N## (in the direction of the acceleration).
 
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PeroK said:
That's why it's possible to cycle uphill comfortably in low gear.
Speak for yourself! :wink:
 
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As @PeroK observes, the question is poorly posed and the given solution is nonsense.
I'll assume this is on the horizontal (which should have been stated).

By "friction" the author appears to mean rolling resistance. Confusing that with friction is a novice error.

Saying that the rider exerts a force of 450N is pretty meaningless. The rider cannot be exerting a net horizontal force on the bike or the two would part company. The vertical force, mg, is irrelevant. If it means the force exerted on one pedal (no cleats, then) we would need to know about the gearing etc.
To make any use of it to solve the questions asked, we have to assume it means that, in the absence of losses, the cyclist would cause there to be a propulsive force of 450N on the bike+rider system. The actual force would come from static friction on the tyres acting forwards.

Finally, there is the sign error involving the "friction". Having written the equation as ##F_{net}=F_{bike}-F_{friction}##, ##F_{friction}## must be being taken as positive to the East. Hence, getting -126N means the force is 126N West, aiding the acceleration!

Where does this sloppy problem come from?
 
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As @PeroK observes, the question is poorly posed and the given solution is nonsense.
I'll assume this is on the horizontal (which should have been stated).

By "friction" the author appears to mean rolling resistance. Confusing that with friction is a novice error.

Saying that the rider exerts a force of 450N is pretty meaningless. The rider cannot be exerting a net horizontal force on the bike or the two would part company. The vertical force, mg, is irrelevant. If it means the force exerted on one pedal (no cleats, then) we would need to know about the gearing etc.
To make any use of it to solve the questions asked, we have to assume it means that, in the absence of losses, the cyclist would cause there to be a propulsive force of 450N on the bike+rider system. The actual force would come from static friction on the tyres acting forwards.

Finally, there is the sign error involving the "friction". Having written the equation as ##F_{net}=F_{bike}-F_{friction}##, ##F_{friction}## must be being taken as positive to the East. Hence, getting -126N means the force is 126N West, aiding the acceleration!

Where does this sloppy problem come from?
Thanks for the detailed reply! This problem came from a "pre-paper" company - not an official exam, so that's probably why there are so many mistakes in it.
 

Related to Force on a Cyclist: Net Force Calculation

What is the net force acting on a cyclist?

The net force acting on a cyclist is the vector sum of all the forces acting on the cyclist. These forces typically include gravitational force, normal force, frictional force, air resistance, and any applied force from pedaling. The net force determines the cyclist's acceleration according to Newton's second law of motion (F = ma).

How do you calculate the net force if you know the individual forces?

To calculate the net force, you need to sum all the individual forces acting on the cyclist, taking into account their directions. Mathematically, this can be expressed as F_net = F_gravity + F_normal + F_friction + F_air_resistance + F_applied. Each of these forces must be represented as vectors, and their components along the same axis should be added algebraically.

What role does air resistance play in the net force calculation for a cyclist?

Air resistance, also known as drag, opposes the motion of the cyclist and acts in the direction opposite to the cyclist's velocity. It is a significant force at higher speeds and must be included in the net force calculation. The magnitude of air resistance can be calculated using the drag equation: F_air_resistance = 0.5 * C_d * A * ρ * v^2, where C_d is the drag coefficient, A is the frontal area, ρ is the air density, and v is the velocity.

How does the incline of the road affect the net force on a cyclist?

The incline of the road affects the gravitational force component acting along the direction of motion. On an incline, the gravitational force can be decomposed into two components: one parallel to the incline (F_gravity_parallel = m * g * sin(θ)) and one perpendicular to the incline (F_gravity_perpendicular = m * g * cos(θ)). The parallel component affects the net force, either aiding or opposing the cyclist's motion depending on whether the cyclist is going downhill or uphill.

How can you determine the acceleration of a cyclist from the net force?

The acceleration of a cyclist can be determined using Newton's second law of motion, which states that F_net = m * a, where F_net is the net force acting on the cyclist, m is the mass of the cyclist and the bicycle, and a is the acceleration. By rearranging the equation, the acceleration can be calculated as a = F_net / m. This acceleration will dictate how the cyclist's velocity changes over time.

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