Force required to keep one block from sliding down another

In summary: The problem statement says that there is no acceleration, so a=0, and F=0. That means that the two blocks have equal and opposite static friction forces between them, and the weight of m1 is supported by the table. You do not need to know the value of the static friction force to answer the question.In summary, the minimum amount of external force required to keep block m1 from sliding down is 0 N, as the static friction force between the two blocks will be equal and opposite to the weight of m1, balancing it out and keeping it from sliding.
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Homework Statement



A block (m1) of mass 2.172 kg is placed in front of a larger block (m2) of mass 5.753 kg in such a way that only m2 is in contact with the table (m2 is on the right, and m1 is on the left. there is negligible friction between m2 and table). The static friction between m1 and m2 is fs=.686

What is the minimum amount of external force applied to m2, to keep m1 off of the table (ie. not sliding down m2)?



Homework Equations



In my free body diagram for m1, i have mg pointing down, static friction force pointing upwards since the block would slide down if it moves, and a normal force pointing left (perpendicular out from the other block; m2)

F=ma


The Attempt at a Solution



First, I concluded that ignoring m1, to move m2 across the frictionless table i would use Newton's 2nd Law.

F=ma
F= 5.753 kg * 9.81m/s^2
F= 56.437 N

Next, to also move m2 and keep it from sliding, I would need to add that additional force. To find that value, I concluded that you would need the force that it would take to move m1 by itself but without the friction force since that is doing some of the work holding the block in the air.

So I calculated F=ma = 2.172 kg * 9.81m/s^2 = 21.307N

I then subtracted the friction force: 21.307 N - (21.307 N * .686) = 6.69N

I then added that to 56.437 N to get 62.12 N. This is incorrect, but I'm not sure where I'm making my mistake.

Any help is appreciated.
 
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cas85 said:
First, I concluded that ignoring m1, to move m2 across the frictionless table i would use Newton's 2nd Law.

F=ma
F= 5.753 kg * 9.81m/s^2
F= 56.437 N
Stop here! Force F is in the horizontal direction and the two blocks accelerate together across the table. Why do you say that,
1. You can ignore the mass of one of the blocks? Both blocks are accelerating.
2. The acceleration is 9.8 m/s2? Neither block is in free fall.

It is correct that the static friction is up. That force must be just enough to balance the weight of block m1. Correct application of Newton's Second Law requires you to write
F = (m1+m2)a, where a is some acceleration yet to be defined.
 

FAQ: Force required to keep one block from sliding down another

What is the definition of "force" in this context?

In this context, force refers to a push or pull that is applied to an object in order to change its motion or keep it from moving.

How is the force required to keep one block from sliding down another calculated?

The force required to keep one block from sliding down another can be calculated using the formula F=μN, where F is the force, μ is the coefficient of friction between the two surfaces, and N is the normal force acting on the block.

What factors affect the amount of force required to keep one block from sliding down another?

The amount of force required to keep one block from sliding down another is affected by the weight of the block, the angle of the incline, and the coefficient of friction between the two surfaces.

How does the coefficient of friction affect the force required?

The coefficient of friction is a measure of how rough or smooth the surfaces of the two blocks are. A higher coefficient of friction means more resistance to motion, so a higher force will be required to keep the block from sliding down.

Can the force required to keep one block from sliding down another be increased?

Yes, the force required can be increased by increasing the weight of the block, increasing the angle of the incline, or increasing the coefficient of friction between the two surfaces.

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