Forces/Dynamics: A block sliding on a plate

In summary, at the moment before the block slips, the external force is 8.82N. It slides 1.8375m to the right.
  • #36
jisbon said:
So something like:
##a = \frac {(F - (m_b*a_b))}{m_p}##
##a = \frac {(2TN - (m_b*a_b))}{m_p}##
?
Why do you still have ab terms on the right? There is only the one acceleration during this phase of the problem. Turn all ap and ab terms into plain a and rearrange to get the equation into the form a=some function of F, mb and mp. There should be no a terms on the right.
When you have that, substitute 2t for F and see if you can get an equation for the velocity.
 
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  • #37
haruspex said:
Why do you still have ab terms on the right? There is only the one acceleration during this phase of the problem. Turn all ap and ab terms into plain a and rearrange to get the equation into the form a=some function of F, mb and mp. There should be no a terms on the right.
When you have that, substitute 2t for F and see if you can get an equation for the velocity.
Oh sorry. Corrected it as followed:
##a = \frac {(F - (m_b*a))}{m_p}##
##a*m_p = (F - (m_b*a))##
##(a*m_p) + (m_b*a) = F##
##a(m_p + m_b) = F##
##a = \frac {F}{(m_p + m_b)}##
##a = \frac {2tN}{(m_p + m_b)}##
To be clear, I will be using N for the plate right?
This a I'm finding will be the acceleration before it slips. So from there, I am able to find the velocity of plate when it starts to slip with this acceleration value? Thanks!
 
  • #38
jisbon said:
from there, I am able to find the velocity of plate when it starts to slip with this acceleration value?
I would call it an acceleration function, not a value; it is not constant.
But yes, you now have the acceleration as a function of time. How do you find the velocity as a function of time from that?
 
  • #39
haruspex said:
I would call it an acceleration function, not a value; it is not constant.
But yes, you now have the acceleration as a function of time. How do you find the velocity as a function of time from that?
I will integrate it to become velocity?
So from my previous equation:
jisbon said:
##a=\frac {2tN}{m_p+m_b}##
##a = \frac {2t*9.8*1.5}{1.5+0.5}##
##a = 14.7t##
##v = (\frac {14.7}{2})t^2##?
 
  • #40
jisbon said:
I will integrate it to become velocity?
So from my previous equation:

##a = \frac {2t*9.8*1.5}{1.5+0.5}##
##a = 14.7t##
##v = (\frac {14.7}{2})t^2##?
Yes, your integration is fine, but where did the factor g come from?
 
  • #41
haruspex said:
Yes, your integration is fine, but where did the factor g come from?
Oh wait isn't ##N= g* mass##?
 
  • #42
jisbon said:
Oh wait isn't ##N= g* mass##?
No. N stands for Newtons. A Newton is the force required to accelerate a mass of 1kg at 1m/s2. Nothing to do with gravity.
 
  • #43
haruspex said:
No. N stands for Newtons. A Newton is the force required to accelerate a mass of 1kg at 1m/s2. Nothing to do with gravity.
Oh no. I always thought that the formula was F=2tN where N is the normal force, turns out N is supposed to be the units :/
If that's the case will ##a= \frac {2t}{1.5+0.5} = t##
Hence ##v = \frac {1}{2}t^2##
?
 
  • #44
jisbon said:
Oh no. I always thought that the formula was F=2tN where N is the normal force, turns out N is supposed to be the units :/
If that's the case will ##a= \frac {2t}{1.5+0.5} = t##
Hence ##v = \frac {1}{2}t^2##
?
Yes,
 
  • #45
So with a and v, I can find out initial velocity when plate before it slips?
 
  • #46
jisbon said:
So with a and v, I can find out initial velocity when plate before it slips?
Yes - do you see how?
 
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