Forces, Torques, and Acceleration

In summary: To find out the friction, you would need to know the properties of the material the pulley is made of and the forces acting on it. In summary, In summary, the student has a homework problem that requires two different methods to be solved. The first method requires the use of forces and torques, while the second method requires work and energy. The student is having difficulty understanding how to solve the problem using work and energy.
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Hi I have the following homework problem that I need to solve two times, one time using forces / torques / acceleration and again using work and energy. I have attached a diagram of the problem and the variables. Pertaining to the first method, I think the solution could be achieved by the following...

( The friction of the pulley is neglected, but the connecting strin does not slip )
( Angular acceleration will be represented by a<ANG> )

Starting from Newton's Second law,

F = m * a

The equations for the block on the table and the hanging block are as follows...
(T is the tension of the string)

<table block>

T - fk = m<table> * a

<hanging block>

T - m<hanging> * g = m<hanging> * a

The torque of the pulley is:
(I is the rotational inertia)

Torque<NET> = I * a<ANG>

which equates to:

-R * T = 1/2 * M<pulley>(r^2 + R^2) * a<ANG>

(R is negative because it's moving in a clockwise direction. I is rotational intertia of an annular cylinder)

To eliminate T, the net force equation for the table block is solved for T:

T = m<table> * a + coeff-kin * m<table> * g

I'm not really sure which direction to go after this, or if this is even correct. I think I need to substitute the above equation for T into the annular cylinder equation, but that doesn't look like it works out corectly. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance for any help.
 

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Since we're considering the dynamics of the pulley, the tension on either side of the pulley is not equal. You've got some things right, but I'm just going to start at the beginning:

Let's call the acceleration of the blocks a and say that a positive value for a involves the block on the table (m1) moving to the right. This means that a positive a also involves the hanging block (m2) moving down. We don't consider slip of the cable, so this means that the pulley must have an angular acceleration of &alpha; = a/R, where R is the outer diamater of the annular disk (pulley). Note that for positive a, &alpha; is counterclockwise. Keep these conventions in mind as we go through the free body diagrams:

From a FBD for m1:

[tex] T_1 - \mu m_1 g = m_1 a [/tex]

From a FBD for m2:

[tex] m_2g - T_2 = m_2a [/tex]

From a FBD of the pulley:

[tex] (T_2 - T_1)R = I\frac a r = \frac{M_p(R^2+r^2)}{2}\frac{a}{r} [/tex]

I hope it is clear where these equations came from (if not, please ask). Mp is the mass of the pulley, and R and r are the outer and inner radii of the pulley, respectively.

There, you have 3 equations and three unknowns. Once you solve for a, you can use basic kinematics for constant acceleration motion to find the speed at the position given.

Post back if you need help with this or with the energy method solution.
 
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Ah thanks a bunch. That makes everything a lot clearer. I think that I might need a little help for the solution using work and energy. Since friction, a nonconservative force, is present I can't use the conservation of mechanical energy in this problem right? Instead I would have to use

Work = Change in Total Energy = Change in Mechanical Energy + Change in Thermal Energy

possibly? But how does the pulley fit into this? Thanks...
 
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You could use the work energy theorem. The work done on the system is equal to the change in total energy. Let's use the subscripts 1 and 2 to indicate the initial and final states of the system. We can also set the datum to be the initial height of m2.

So what's E1, the total initial energy of the system? Nothing is moving, so there's no kinetic energy. According to the datum we set, m1 does have some gravitational potential energy, but we know that that mass does not change height, so we can ignore that in this problem.

After the system has moved a distance d, all 3 moving objects have kinetic energy. The total kinetic energy is given by:

[tex] K_2 = \frac{m_1v_1^2}{2} + \frac{m_2v_2^2}{2} + \frac{I\omega^2}{2} [/tex]

(I is the inertia of the pulley) We know from the geometry of the system that v1 = v2 = &omega;R = v, the velocity we're solving for.

The final gravitational potential energy is -m2gd

So the work-energy theorem tells us that:

[tex] \frac{m_1v^2}{2} + \frac{m_2v^2}{2} + \frac{M_p(R^2+r^2)v^2}{4R^2} - m_2gd = -\mu m_1gd [/tex]

The right hand side of the equation is the work done by friction on the system.
 

FAQ: Forces, Torques, and Acceleration

What is a force?

A force is a push or pull that can cause an object to accelerate or change its motion.

What are the different types of forces?

The main types of forces are contact forces, which require physical contact between two objects, and non-contact forces, which act at a distance. Contact forces include friction, tension, normal force, and applied force. Non-contact forces include gravity, electric force, and magnetic force.

What is torque?

Torque is a force that causes rotational motion. It is a measure of how much a force acting on an object causes that object to rotate around an axis or pivot point.

How do you calculate acceleration?

Acceleration is calculated by dividing the change in an object's velocity by the time it takes for that change to occur. The formula for acceleration is a = (vf - vi) / t, where a is acceleration, vf is final velocity, vi is initial velocity, and t is time.

What is Newton's second law of motion?

Newton's second law of motion states that the acceleration of an object is directly proportional to the net force acting on it and inversely proportional to its mass. This can be represented by the equation F = ma, where F is the net force, m is the mass of the object, and a is the resulting acceleration.

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