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Has anyone ever formed water by manmade process? How is water formed and what conditions need to be met?
You wouldn't need to put any Oxygen at all in the balloon (making the whole "experiment safer"), as when the hot flame melts the rubber balloon, the Hydrogen will immediately mix with Oxygen from the air and combust. Placing the Oxygen inside the balloon will only cause the reaction to proceed much more quickly and explosively. Instead, leaving the Oxygen source as the outside air (although still explosive) slows it down enough for you to actually see the fire ball.Hootenanny said:Take an ordinary party balloon and fill it two thirds full of hydrogen and and third full of oxygen. Then get a long stick with a lighted spill on the end and use it to pop the balloon, producing water.
Who wants to see a fireball when you can feel a shockwave?mrjeffy321 said:You wouldn't need to put any Oxygen at all in the balloon (making the whole "experiment safer"), as when the hot flame melts the rubber balloon, the Hydrogen will immediately mix with Oxygen from the air and combust. Placing the Oxygen inside the balloon will only cause the reaction to proceed much more quickly and explosively. Instead, leaving the Oxygen source as the outside air (although still explosive) slows it down enough for you to actually see the fire ball.
I have quite a few pictures and videos of myself doing this type of thing.
What exactly are you looking for, again ?Paula said:I am looking for the most likely candidate for continued water formation on the earth. Really, in the earth.
When very hot Iron (as one would find in the core) comes into contact with water...the extreme heat helps split the water up and releases Hydrogen gas and the Iron is oxidized.Bystander said:Hydrogen dissolved in the core plus oxides in the mantle yields water plus reduced iron, continuing the core differentiation from mantle rock; water moves up and iron "falls."
mrjeffy321 said:When very hot Iron (as one would find in the core) comes into contact with water...the extreme heat helps split the water up and releases Hydrogen gas and the Iron is oxidized.
Why would Hydrogen "want" to be dissolved in hot, dense, Iron?
Paula said:Bystander,
Is there a source you can let me look at for this model?
Iron going down and water going up, that is good! Esp. with the Earth spinning, you know how strong water pushes out when it is spun in a bowl, ahah.
And then, you need the iron for the Earth's dynamo, right? It fits pretty well, except, mrjeffy said you just don't find that much hydrogen going around looking for something to do.
Paula said:Density of water is 1. And maybe it is possible that there is some kind of event horizon for water on earth. Maybe it pushes out at a certain point in the lithosphere or mantle somewhere. But it certainly pushes down at the bottom of the ocean.
Now you are asking questions. The Earth's mass--there could be a lot more water than you think. Seismological measurements could be more complete. And besides the waves only show an average density.
Nope.Or do they. You tell me. We have never dug into the mantle of the earth.
As for solar winds, we are mostly protected from those by Earth's magnetic field, in my opinion. And how does that fit into a chemical equation? That seems like kind of a red herring.
"Juvenille water." Fossil water. Any way you look at it, it would be nice to know.
Paula said:As far as these temperatures of the core and mantle, perhaps you could provide that info. I just do not have it. Wouldn't the solid center of the Earth be cooler (if it really is iron and nickel) and the molten core around that be hotter (to provide a current) and the mantle of the Earth be cooler again? Don't look at me, you brought it up!
Yep, but it also flows into cracks in the ridges from the ocean.Paula said:Water is venting up from the mid-ocean ridges
If you mean it's bubbling out of the ground, then absolutely not.Paula said:and I believe personally that Antarctica's ice is flowing out from the center of the continent, and being replaced from some source.
AFAIK this is actually an open question. I think the two major contenders are meteors and simple separation (the stuff the Earth got made out of had water in the mix). Likely some of both.Paula said:I am unsatisfied by the explanation that water came in on meteors.
NoTime said:If you mean it's bubbling out of the ground, then absolutely not.
The ice does flow, but it gets replaced by rain/snow.
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Well, Antarctica is a desert. It just does not have enough precipitation to account for all of that ice and those massive flows. That is why I suspect some other source. Don't know, just working on it.
Actually, it does - glaciers don't flow very quickly, so it doesn't take much now to make it flow.Paula said:Well, Antarctica is a desert. It just does not have enough precipitation to account for all of that ice and those massive flows. That is why I suspect some other source. Don't know, just working on it.
Paula said:Next, H2 and O are very explosive, we have established. Oh that'd be a big bang, ahah. However, as plentiful as we are told Hydrogen is in the universe (a whopping 95% or so), it makes up only a tiny 3% of the Earth's crust. Serious drop in consistency of the universe, oh well, no big.
Another problem. The Earth's gravity is not strong enough to hold Hydrogen down. It would have been lost right away into space: So, does that logically mean it had to be in a compond form?
I am open for correction at all times because I have no clue how water could have come to be in such abundance on earth.