Free Body Diagram of Mass-Spring System

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The discussion centers on the free-body diagram of a mass-spring system involving two masses, where one mass is initially in motion and the other is stationary but free to move after a collision. After the collision, the spring compresses by a length x, exerting a spring force of magnitude kx on both masses, pushing mass 1 to the left and mass 2 to the right. There is uncertainty about whether additional forces act on mass 2 due to its ability to move. Participants clarify that free-body diagrams are useful for illustrating all forces acting on a body, not just in static situations, and are essential for analyzing dynamics through net force equations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of including all relevant forces in the diagrams for accurate analysis.
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Draw the Free
Relevant Equations
##F = -kx##
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Suppose we are given the 2 following masses 1 and 2, where 1 initially moves at velocity ##v_\rm{1}## and 2 is stationary. Note, however, that 2 is not bolted down to any surface - it is free to move around after collision. What would the free-body force diagram of masses 1 and 2 be, after they collide?

This is what I think it will be - I just want to check because I'm not 100% sure.

Suppose the spring is compressed by length ##x## from its relaxed position after collision. Then the force pushing block 1 to the left is the spring force of magnitude ##kx##:
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Similarly, from the perspective of block 2, the spring is compressed by by length ##x## too, so it will push block 2 to the right by a force of magnitude ##kx##:
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The reason I'm not sure if this is correct is because block 2 is allowed to move around - is the only force that is pushing block 2 to the right the spring force, or are there more forces?

I'd appreciate any guidance to this problem.
 
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Your diagrams are correct for the horizontal forces acting on the blocks. However, to make the diagrams complete, you should show all of the vertical forces also.
 
I was under the impression that free-body diagrams are only used in static cases to depict all applied forces summing up to equilibrium.
 
apostolosdt said:
I was under the impression that free-body diagrams are only used in static cases to depict all applied forces summing up to equilibrium.
I'm not.
 
haruspex said:
I'm not.
On second thought, you're most probably right; the role of a free-body diagram is to show only the essential parts of the situation. Thank you for correcting me.
 
apostolosdt said:
I was under the impression that free-body diagrams are only used in static cases to depict all applied forces summing up to equilibrium.
Free body diagrams are used as aids to determine the vector summation on left-hand side of ##\vec F_{\text{net}}=m\vec a## or ##\vec{\tau}_{\text{net}}=I\vec{\alpha}.## In cases where the acceleration (linear or angular) is not known, the vector sum on the left-hand side determines whether the right-hand is or is not zero.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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