Functions - the fallacy in this argument

In summary: There are values in the codomain that are not mapped to by any element of the domain.In summary, the fallacy in this argument lies in the fourth line, where the author incorrectly evaluates f(sin x) as x sin x. This is not a valid function as it is not surjective, and therefore the proof is flawed.
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autodidude
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I'm asked to find the fallacy in this argument

sin ≣ sin(π - x)
Hence, f(sin x) = f(sin(π-x))
Let f(x) = x sin x
Then x sin x = (π - x)sin(π-x)
x = π - x
Hence π = 2x and since x is any value we choose, so is π

The fourth line, where the author says the x in front of the sin x is also equal to π - x is where the error is, but in the answers, he says, ''the fallacy is we cannot choose f(sin x) to be x sin x, this is not a function of sin x alone but of x and sin x'

I suspect he's talking about the same thing, but I don't understand what it has to do with the fourth line.
 
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From what I understand,

if you let

f(x) = xsinx

and u = sinx

then

f(u) = u*sin(u)

= sin(x)*sin(sin(x))

and likewise for sin(pi - x)

If you look at the proof, you see that the fourth line should be:

sin(x)*sin(sin(x)) = sin(pi - x)*sin(sin(pi - x))

which seems correct.
 
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So it's basically two functions in one?
 
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autodidude said:
So it's basically two functions in one?
That's pretty meaningless in this problem.

The problem is that the 4th line does not evaluate f correctly. f maps a number into that number time the sin of that number.

For example,
f(x) = xsin(x)
f(y) = y sin(y)
f(a + b) = (a + b) sin(a + b)
f(sin(π-x)) = sin(π-x) sin(sin(π-x))
 
  • #5
Are you sure you typed it out correctly? Because the answers only make sense if either the function was defined as [itex] f(\sin x) = x \sin x [/itex] or if the author is deciding to be bizarrely pedantic about the scope of the variable x, otherwise the problem is definitely in the 4th line.
 
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JHamm is correct, the author either made a typo or the OP did.
 
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Mark44 said:
That's pretty meaningless in this problem.

The problem is that the 4th line does not evaluate f correctly. f maps a number into that number time the sin of that number.

For example,
f(x) = xsin(x)
f(y) = y sin(y)
f(a + b) = (a + b) sin(a + b)
f(sin(π-x)) = sin(π-x) sin(sin(π-x))

Yeah, if I understand you correctly, that's what I thought. It's just his answer confused me.

@JHamm: Yeah, that's how the questioning and answer were given. I was wondering why he said we can't use f(sin x) to be x sin x because in the question he let f(x) = x sin x.

When I see f(sin x) = x sin x, I interpret that as sining the x before inputing it's sin(x)sin(sin(x)).
 
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If you take [itex]f(x) = x\sin x [/tex] you can then go
[tex]f(\sin x) = \sin x \sin \sin x [/tex]
However if you try to define your function as
[tex]f(\sin x) = x\sin x [/tex]
Then you're in trouble because that isn't surjective.
 

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What is a function?

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