Functions with "antisymmetric partial"

In summary, all solutions to the DE are of the form$$f(u,v)=g(u-v)+h(v)$$where##g:[-1,1]\to\mathbb{r}## and ##h:[0,1]\to\mathbb{r}## are both once-differentiable and ##g## is an odd function.
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economicsnerd
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Sorry for the terribly vague title; I just can't think of a better name for the thread.

I'm interested in functions ##f:[0,1]^2\to\mathbb{R}## which solve the DE, ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(y, x) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y) ##.

I know this is a huge collection of functions, amounting to everything of the form ##\left\{ \int g(x,y) dx: \ g \text{ antisymmetric} \right\}##, but I'm wondering whether there's a nice description of the family of functions ##f## satisfying the equation. Ideally, I'd like a description which doesn't use derivatives or integrals.
 
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-1 = (∂ƒ/∂x)/(∂ƒ/∂y) = - (dy/dx)ƒ.
which is not hard to integrate to
y - x = K at constant ƒ.

So ƒ(y - x) = C. , any constant C and any differentiable function ƒ is a solution.

IMHO not a bad starting point for study of solution of pde's (which I must start one of these days. :oldsmile:)
 
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economicsnerd said:
solve the DE, ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(y, x) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y) ##.
Are you sure you mean that and not ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(x,y) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y) ##?

On my calculations, every differentiable anti-symmetric function is a solution of the former (the one you wrote) because both partial derivs are taken wrt the first argument of ##f##. So if ##g:[0,1]^2\to\mathbb{R}## is the partial diff of ##f## wrt its first argument then the DE is just ##g(y,x)=-g(x,y)##, and the problem becomes uninteresting.

However, if the DE is really ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(x,y) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y) ##, or to make it even clearer:

$$D_2 f(x,y) =-D_1f(x,y) $$
where ##D_n## indicates partial differentiation wrt the ##n##th argument, the problem becomes interesting and penguin's solution comes into play.
epenguin said:
So ƒ(y - x) = C. , any constant C and any differentiable function ƒ is a solution.
I wasn't quite sure what you meant by this last part. Do you mean that, for any differentiable function ##g:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}##, the function ##f:[0,1]^2\to\mathbb{R}## defined by ##f(x,y)=g(y-x)## is a solution of the DE?

That certainly seems to work, and is a nice solution [of what I think the problem was intended to be, per the above].

Do you think we can conclude that all solutions are of that form?
 
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andrewkirk said:
penguin's solution comes into play.

Aaargh I misread.:redface:
 
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I did mean ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(y, x) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y)##, not ##\tfrac{\partial}{\partial y} f(x, y) = -\tfrac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y) ##.

So I'm after the set of functions whose first partial is an antisymmetric function. I'm wondering if there's a way to specify that class of functions without referencing derivatives or integrals.
 
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It seems to me that every such [itex]f(x,y)[/itex] can be written in the form [itex]f(x,y) = g(x-y)[/itex], where [itex]g[/itex] is an arbitrary differentiable function.
 
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economicsnerd said:
I'm after the set of functions whose first partial is an antisymmetric function.
A large class of solutions will be of the form

$$f(u,v)=g(u-v)+h(v)$$

where
##g:[-1,1]\to\mathbb{r}## and ##h:[0,1]\to\mathbb{r}## are both once-differentiable and ##g## is an odd function.
Note that the ##h## term is a function only of the second argument, and hence disappears upon partial differentiation wrt the first argument.
The extra requirement that the function ##g## be odd appears necessary. A function that is even, such as ##g(x)=x^2##, or neither even nor odd, such as ##g(x)=e^x##, would not work.

I can't prove that all solutions are of this form. Perhaps there may be other classes of solutions, but I can't think of any examples.
 

FAQ: Functions with "antisymmetric partial"

1. What is an antisymmetric partial function?

An antisymmetric partial function is a mathematical concept in which the output of the function is equal to the negative of its input. In other words, if the input is x, the output will be -x. This type of function is often used in physics and engineering to describe systems with opposing forces.

2. How is an antisymmetric partial function different from a regular function?

The main difference between an antisymmetric partial function and a regular function is that the output of an antisymmetric partial function is always the negative of its input, while a regular function can have any type of relationship between the input and output.

3. What are some real-life applications of antisymmetric partial functions?

Antisymmetric partial functions are commonly used in physics and engineering to model systems with opposing forces, such as in circuits or mechanical systems with dual components. They are also used in economics and game theory to describe competitive situations.

4. How can we determine if a function is antisymmetric partial?

To determine if a function is antisymmetric partial, we need to check if the output of the function is equal to the negative of its input for all possible input values. If this is true, then the function is antisymmetric partial.

5. Are there any limitations to using antisymmetric partial functions?

One limitation of antisymmetric partial functions is that they can only be used for systems with opposing forces. They may also be more difficult to work with mathematically compared to regular functions. Additionally, not all real-life systems can be accurately modeled using antisymmetric partial functions.

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