Geometrical Center: Proving if Area-Centers Lie on X-Y Origin

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of a centroid in a three-dimensional object and whether it will always lie along the y-axis or the x-z plane. The individual cross sections of the object are symmetric about the x-z plane, and the centroid of each cross section will always be at (0,0). This is confirmed through integrals of the coordinates of the centroid. The conversation also clarifies the meaning of the x-z axis and confirms that the conclusion is still valid even if the object is not symmetric about the z-axis.
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Hey, this is actually a question arising from physics, but it is actually only mathematical.

Let's say you have a 3 dimensional object, with the origin in the volume-center.

-the object is symmetric about the x-z axis

-If we look at slices in the x-y-plane(z=constant). Will then the area-center of each slice be in the x-y origin?

If this is true then my engineering text-books makes sense. If not, I need to ask the professors about something. Can you guys help me?

It would be cool if one could prove this. I

PS: If the above is not true, can it be true that the area-center allways will lie along the y-axis of each slice?
 
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What do you mean by "x-z axis"? I know the x-axis and the z-axis but I do not recognize an "x-z axis". Or do you mean xz plane?

The concept here is "centroid". The center, or "centroid", of a three dimensional figure has coordinates [itex]\left(\overline{x}, \overline{y}, \overline{z}\right)[/itex] where
[tex]\overline{x}= \frac{\int\int\int x dxdydz}{\int\int\int dxdydz}[/tex]
[tex]\overline{y}= \frac{\int\int\int y dxdydz}{\int\int\int dxdydz}[/tex]
[tex]\overline{z}= \frac{\int\int\int z dxdydz}{\int\int\int dxdydz}[/tex]

The denominator in each case is just the volume of the figure, which we can call "V".

If the figure is symmetrical about the z- axis, then we can think of it as a "volume of rotation" of some curve r= f(z) about the z. In that case, we can put the problem in cylindrical coordinates and the integrals become
[tex]\overline{x}= \frac{\int_{z=z_0}^z_1\int_{r= 0}^{r(z)} r cos(\theta) r drd\theta}{V}[/tex]
[tex]\overline{y}= \frac{\int_{z=z_0}^z_1\int_{r= 0}^{r(z)} r sin(\theta) r drd\theta}{V}[/tex]
[tex]\overline{x}= \frac{\int_{z=z_0}^z_1\int_{r= 0}^{r(z)} z r drd\theta}{V}[/tex]

But now it is easy to see that the integral with respect to [itex]\theta[/itex]
is
[tex]\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi} cos(\theta) d\theta= sin(\theta)\right|_0^{2\pi}= 0[/tex]
and
[tex]\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi} sin(\theta) d\theta= cos(\theta)\right|_0^{2\pi}= 0[/tex]

so that the centroid is, indeed, on the axis of symmetry.

For each cross section at a given z value, we would find the centroid in exactly the same way except that we would not do the "z" integral and the denominator of each fraction would be the area of the cross section. For a given z, the area is bounded by [itex]r= f(z)[/itex] rotated around the origin so we would again have
[tex]\overline{x}= \frac{\int_{r= 0}^{f(z)}\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi} r cos(\theta)d\theta dr}{A(z)}[/tex]
and
[tex]\overline{y}= \frac{\int_{r= 0}^{f(z)}\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi} r sin(\theta) d\theta dr}{A(z)}[/tex]
where "A(z)" is the area of that particular cross section.

Again, the "[itex]\theta[/itex]" integrals are 0 irrespective of the "r" integrals so the centoid of each cross section is again at (0, 0).
 
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Sorry I meant about the x-z plane not object symmetric about the z-axis. Is it still valid then?

Thanks for your reply!
 

FAQ: Geometrical Center: Proving if Area-Centers Lie on X-Y Origin

What is a geometrical center?

A geometrical center is the point in a shape or object that is equidistant from all of its boundaries or edges. It can also be referred to as the centroid.

How is the geometrical center of a shape calculated?

The geometrical center of a shape can be calculated by finding the average of all the x-coordinates and the average of all the y-coordinates of its vertices. This point is known as the centroid of the shape.

Why is it important to prove if the area-centers lie on the X-Y origin?

Proving if the area-centers lie on the X-Y origin is important because it can provide valuable information about the shape and its symmetry. It can also help in determining the stability and balance of the object.

What are the methods for proving if area-centers lie on the X-Y origin?

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Proving if area-centers lie on the X-Y origin has various real-life applications, such as in architecture and engineering for designing stable and balanced structures, in physics for studying the center of gravity of objects, and in computer graphics for creating symmetrical and aesthetically pleasing designs.

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