Given value of vectors a,b, b.c and a+(b×c), Find (c.a)

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Homework Statement
##a=\hat i-2\hat j+3\hat k## and ##b=\hat i+\hat j+\hat k##
##c## is a vector such that ##a+(b\times c)=0## and ##b.c=5##
Find ##3(c.a)##
Relevant Equations
$$(p\times q)\times r=(p.r)q-(q.r)p$$
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I thought this was too easy
$$a+(b\times c)=0\implies a=-(b\times c)=(c\times b)$$
Then
$$3(c.a)=3(c.(c\times b))=0$$
Since cross product of vectors is perpendicular to both vectors and dot product of perpendicular vectors is zero.

Now here's the problem, correct answer given is 10. But how do I get that?Why is my answer wrong?
It seems to hint at using vector triple product
 
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I crack my head to find why your method is wrong, but I find indeed 10 IF I use another method where I take the triple cross product ##a\times(b\times c)=0## (you can deduce this equation by taking the cross product with ##a## of the given equation.
 
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Well the problem statement has a contradiction, it gives as ##a## clearly different than the zero vector, but it also gives that ##a+(b\times c)=0## from which you can deduce that either a is zero or that a is perpendicular to b (and perpendicular to c), neither can hold according to what is given for a and b.

Anyway that's what I concluded with my internal thinking but lets wait what @Orodruin or @pasmith have to say for this, two of the advisors that almost always find a "jet" and rigorous explanation.

@PeroK too plz have a look at this.
 
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There is an obvious self-contraction in the problem statement. From ##\vec a + \vec b \times \vec c = 0## it is necessary that ##\vec a \perp \vec b## but the given ##\vec a## and ##\vec b## are not perpendicular by virtue of ##\vec a\cdot \vec b = 1-2+3 = 2 \neq 0##.
 
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Orodruin said:
There is an obvious self-contraction in the problem statement. From ##\vec a + \vec b \times \vec c = 0## it is necessary that ##\vec a \perp \vec b## but the given ##\vec a## and ##\vec b## are not perpendicular by virtue of ##\vec a\cdot \vec b = 1-2+3 = 2 \neq 0##.

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Well the problem statement has a contradiction, it gives as ##a## clearly different than the zero vector, but it also gives that ##a+(b\times c)=0## from which you can deduce that either a is zero or that a is perpendicular to b (and perpendicular to c), neither can hold according to what is given for a and b.

Anyway that's what I concluded with my internal thinking but lets wait what @Orodruin or @pasmith have to say for this, two of the advisors that almost always find a "jet" and rigorous explanation.

@PeroK too plz have a look at this.
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And this was a 'Previous Year Question' in an exam. They tried too hard to make it difficult.
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This solution that gives 10.
 
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It is not the first and not the last time someone makes a mistake when formulating an exam.

My favourite was when our classical mechanics teacher asked us to find the natural frequency of oscillations around a stable equilibrium that was, in fact, unstable. The rest of the class got imaginary frequencies. I showed that the equilibrium was unstable, found the actual stable equilibrium of the system (which was significantly more complex), and found the frequency for that equilibrium. I got 6 out of 3 points for that problem. 😂
 
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FAQ: Given value of vectors a,b, b.c and a+(b×c), Find (c.a)

What is the dot product of two vectors, and how is it calculated?

The dot product of two vectors is a scalar value that is the result of multiplying the corresponding components of the vectors and then summing those products. For vectors a = [a1, a2, a3] and b = [b1, b2, b3], the dot product a.b is calculated as a1*b1 + a2*b2 + a3*b3.

What is the cross product of two vectors, and how is it calculated?

The cross product of two vectors is a vector that is perpendicular to both of the original vectors. For vectors b = [b1, b2, b3] and c = [c1, c2, c3], the cross product b×c is calculated as [(b2*c3 - b3*c2), (b3*c1 - b1*c3), (b1*c2 - b2*c1)].

How do you find the value of a vector expression like a + (b×c)?

To find the value of a vector expression like a + (b×c), you first calculate the cross product b×c to get a new vector. Then, you add this resulting vector to vector a by adding the corresponding components of the vectors.

How can you find the dot product of two vectors if one of them is the result of a cross product?

To find the dot product of vector c with vector a, given that vector a is part of the expression a + (b×c), you can directly use the given vector a in the dot product calculation. The expression (c.a) remains a simple dot product operation between vectors c and a.

What steps should be followed to solve for (c.a) given vectors a, b, and c?

To solve for (c.a) given vectors a, b, and c, follow these steps:1. Ensure you have the components of vectors a, b, and c.2. Calculate the cross product b×c.3. If needed, add the resulting vector from b×c to vector a.4. Finally, calculate the dot product of vector c with vector a using the formula (c.a).

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