Given value of vectors a,b, b.c and a+(b×c), Find (c.a)

In summary, the problem involves determining the dot product (c.a) based on the given values of vectors a, b, and c, as well as the scalar product b.c and the vector sum a + (b × c). To find c.a, one must utilize vector identities and properties involving the scalar and vector products.
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Homework Statement
##a=\hat i-2\hat j+3\hat k## and ##b=\hat i+\hat j+\hat k##
##c## is a vector such that ##a+(b\times c)=0## and ##b.c=5##
Find ##3(c.a)##
Relevant Equations
$$(p\times q)\times r=(p.r)q-(q.r)p$$
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I thought this was too easy
$$a+(b\times c)=0\implies a=-(b\times c)=(c\times b)$$
Then
$$3(c.a)=3(c.(c\times b))=0$$
Since cross product of vectors is perpendicular to both vectors and dot product of perpendicular vectors is zero.

Now here's the problem, correct answer given is 10. But how do I get that?Why is my answer wrong?
It seems to hint at using vector triple product
 
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I crack my head to find why your method is wrong, but I find indeed 10 IF I use another method where I take the triple cross product ##a\times(b\times c)=0## (you can deduce this equation by taking the cross product with ##a## of the given equation.
 
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Well the problem statement has a contradiction, it gives as ##a## clearly different than the zero vector, but it also gives that ##a+(b\times c)=0## from which you can deduce that either a is zero or that a is perpendicular to b (and perpendicular to c), neither can hold according to what is given for a and b.

Anyway that's what I concluded with my internal thinking but lets wait what @Orodruin or @pasmith have to say for this, two of the advisors that almost always find a "jet" and rigorous explanation.

@PeroK too plz have a look at this.
 
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There is an obvious self-contraction in the problem statement. From ##\vec a + \vec b \times \vec c = 0## it is necessary that ##\vec a \perp \vec b## but the given ##\vec a## and ##\vec b## are not perpendicular by virtue of ##\vec a\cdot \vec b = 1-2+3 = 2 \neq 0##.
 
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Orodruin said:
There is an obvious self-contraction in the problem statement. From ##\vec a + \vec b \times \vec c = 0## it is necessary that ##\vec a \perp \vec b## but the given ##\vec a## and ##\vec b## are not perpendicular by virtue of ##\vec a\cdot \vec b = 1-2+3 = 2 \neq 0##.

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Well the problem statement has a contradiction, it gives as ##a## clearly different than the zero vector, but it also gives that ##a+(b\times c)=0## from which you can deduce that either a is zero or that a is perpendicular to b (and perpendicular to c), neither can hold according to what is given for a and b.

Anyway that's what I concluded with my internal thinking but lets wait what @Orodruin or @pasmith have to say for this, two of the advisors that almost always find a "jet" and rigorous explanation.

@PeroK too plz have a look at this.
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And this was a 'Previous Year Question' in an exam. They tried too hard to make it difficult.
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This solution that gives 10.
 
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It is not the first and not the last time someone makes a mistake when formulating an exam.

My favourite was when our classical mechanics teacher asked us to find the natural frequency of oscillations around a stable equilibrium that was, in fact, unstable. The rest of the class got imaginary frequencies. I showed that the equilibrium was unstable, found the actual stable equilibrium of the system (which was significantly more complex), and found the frequency for that equilibrium. I got 6 out of 3 points for that problem. 😂
 
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FAQ: Given value of vectors a,b, b.c and a+(b×c), Find (c.a)

What is the dot product of two vectors, and how is it calculated?

The dot product of two vectors is a scalar value that is the result of multiplying the corresponding components of the vectors and then summing those products. For vectors a = [a1, a2, a3] and b = [b1, b2, b3], the dot product a.b is calculated as a1*b1 + a2*b2 + a3*b3.

What is the cross product of two vectors, and how is it calculated?

The cross product of two vectors is a vector that is perpendicular to both of the original vectors. For vectors b = [b1, b2, b3] and c = [c1, c2, c3], the cross product b×c is calculated as [(b2*c3 - b3*c2), (b3*c1 - b1*c3), (b1*c2 - b2*c1)].

How do you find the value of a vector expression like a + (b×c)?

To find the value of a vector expression like a + (b×c), you first calculate the cross product b×c to get a new vector. Then, you add this resulting vector to vector a by adding the corresponding components of the vectors.

How can you find the dot product of two vectors if one of them is the result of a cross product?

To find the dot product of vector c with vector a, given that vector a is part of the expression a + (b×c), you can directly use the given vector a in the dot product calculation. The expression (c.a) remains a simple dot product operation between vectors c and a.

What steps should be followed to solve for (c.a) given vectors a, b, and c?

To solve for (c.a) given vectors a, b, and c, follow these steps:1. Ensure you have the components of vectors a, b, and c.2. Calculate the cross product b×c.3. If needed, add the resulting vector from b×c to vector a.4. Finally, calculate the dot product of vector c with vector a using the formula (c.a).

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