Gravitons: Explaining Need & Function in Relation to GR

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In summary: According to the article, "parts of general relativity have been quantized". This could mean that the theory is incomplete and that additional quantum behavior exists. There are also "quantizations" of GR that are not mathematically consistent.
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If general relativity states that objects move along geodesics in spacetime, why is there a need for gravitons? What do they do? If they are passed back and forth between energetic objects to create the gravitational interaction, this seems to completely disregard GR, but if objects move along curved paths in spacetime as Einstein believed, I have a hard time understanding what need there is for gravitons.
 
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GR may be wrong ... or some of the assumptions may be wrong.
Gravitons form part of what a likely alternative to GR could look like.

We do know there are problems with GR in relation to quantum mechanics.
 
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If general relativity states that objects move along geodesics in spacetime, why is there a need for gravitons?
Think of it as a purely mathematical tool.

I'm speaking informally here:

Spacetime curvature may be described as a function. Say, a polynomial. Virtual gravitons are like elementary functions that can be composed into more sophisticated functions.

You can imagine virtual gravitons as sinusoids of different period, that you can add and get any space curvature you like.

Let me say it again, it is only an analogy. In reality, things are quite different.

However, you can see that you can describe particle motion using spacetime curvature or virtual gravitons and these descriptions will be equivalent.

Elementary gravitons are of interest of quantum mechanics, because they should be quantized. That means, non-commutative. When you multiply two functions describing spacetime curvature, the result will depend on the multiplication order. How exactly, this can be deduced from gravitons. In the case of elementary gravitons, the commutation relation should take particulary simple form.
Note however, that there is no known quantization of full GR today. Parts of it have been however quantized. There are also "quantizations" of GR that are not mathematically consistent.

It may even turn out that full GR can not be quantized at all and decomposition of spacetime curvature into gravitons is meaningless.
 
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If general relativity states that objects move along geodesics in spacetime, why is there a need for gravitons? What do they do? If they are passed back and forth between energetic objects to create the gravitational interaction, this seems to completely disregard GR, but if objects move along curved paths in spacetime as Einstein believed, I have a hard time understanding what need there is for gravitons.

GR also predicts the existence of gravitational waves. According to QM, all waves are quantized (yes, all). If both of those tenets are correct than there exist a quanta of gravitational waves. Let's call it a graviton.
 
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Elementary gravitons are of interest of quantum mechanics, because they should be quantized. That means, non-commutative. When you multiply two functions describing spacetime curvature, the result will depend on the multiplication order. How exactly, this can be deduced from gravitons. In the case of elementary gravitons, the commutation relation should take particulary simple form.
Note however, that there is no known quantization of full GR today. Parts of it have been however quantized. There are also "quantizations" of GR that are not mathematically consistent.

Thanks! Can you elaborate and/or provide references regarding the parts of GR that have been quantized?
 

Related to Gravitons: Explaining Need & Function in Relation to GR

1. What are gravitons?

Gravitons are hypothetical particles that are believed to be responsible for transmitting the force of gravity in quantum theories.

2. How do gravitons explain the need for gravity?

Gravitons are necessary to explain the force of gravity in quantum theories, as they are the particles that would carry the gravitational force between objects.

3. What is the function of gravitons in relation to General Relativity (GR)?

In General Relativity, gravitons are believed to be the mediators of the gravitational force between massive objects, and play a key role in the theory's explanation of gravity.

4. Are gravitons proven to exist?

No, gravitons have not been directly observed or proven to exist. They are currently only a theoretical concept in quantum theories of gravity.

5. How do gravitons fit into our current understanding of the universe?

Gravitons are a key concept in some theories that aim to reconcile General Relativity and quantum mechanics, but their existence has not been confirmed. Therefore, their role in our current understanding of the universe is still uncertain.

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