Gravity & Mass in Einstein's Gravity Model

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of gravity as a disruption of space-time fabric caused by an object with mass. The participants also explore the relationship between mass and gravity, and the potential for mass to be described as interference with the fabric. They also consider the speed of light and its interaction with the fabric, and the possibility of light particles/waves only existing in two dimensions. The conversation ends with a call for further exploration and understanding of these concepts.
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in einstein's famous gravity model - gravity is caused by a disruption of some fabric by an object with mass (i.e. the ball on the fabric causes the fabric to "expand" creating an inward force toward the ball for other objects).

i was thinking about this and wondering the following:

1) if gravity is indeed this - i.e. a disruption or interference of something with the space-time fabric - could "mass" be described in the same way. i.e. - the mass of the object is defined by the way it interferes with the space-time fabric.

2) the speed of light could also be related then as such ... the light particles/waves - don't interact with the space-time fabric in the same way that "massive" objects do. light perhaps passes through the fabric as if it were a vacuum of space-time. in other words - imagine that a ball that falls down a tube - the ball's velocity is restricted by the friction of the tube. the tighter the tube (or the bigger the ball) - the slower it falls. but - if the tube is big enough, or the ball small enough - the friction of the tube becomes irrelevant - and the ball's velocity has a maximum potential. to tie this back to the previous concept- imagine that light is the ball - and space-time the tube - and in this case, the light particles/wave is not restricted by/influenced by the space-time fabric - and so reaches a maximum velocity.

3) a follow-on concept is that light particles/waves are only two-dimensional - i.e. they exist in only two dimensions instead of three (or three instead of four if you include time). thus - mass, or interference of the space-time field is defined by three space dimensions. i.e. in the same way that a box has an area but no volume - light has velocity - but no "real" mass. if that is the case - then perhaps, mass-energy equivalance is only true for certain dimensions. i.e. energy could exist in 1d and 2d particles/objects - even though they may have no mass.

any thoughts?
 
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The bowling ball on a sheet model of gravity is not very useful when trying to find a fundamental definition of mass and inertia, IMHO. The model is incomplete and a tautology. Consider, what holds up the edges of the sheet? Consider, what is the sheet made of? Consider, what is the force that pushes the bowling ball into the sheet? The force of gravity is part of the model, so the model cannot be used to help understand what gravity is.

You are juggling these ideas with some skill, but we are all waiting for someone to show us how they all fall together in a neat pattern. Keep thinking.

R.
 
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1) It is an interesting idea to think of mass as an interference with the space-time fabric. In Einstein's theory of general relativity, mass is indeed a fundamental property that affects the curvature of space-time. The more massive an object is, the more it bends space-time and creates a gravitational pull. So in a way, you can say that mass is defined by how it interacts with the space-time fabric. However, it is important to note that mass is not just a disruption, it is a fundamental property of matter that cannot be explained solely by its interaction with space-time.

2) The analogy of the ball falling through a tube is a good way to think about the speed of light. In this case, the friction of the tube represents the resistance of space-time to the movement of massive objects. Light, being a massless particle, does not experience this resistance and can therefore travel at the maximum speed allowed in the space-time fabric. This is why the speed of light is considered to be a universal constant.

3) It is true that light exists in two dimensions, as it only travels in a straight line and does not have any depth. However, it is not accurate to say that light particles/waves are only two-dimensional. They still exist in three-dimensional space, but they only move in one dimension. Additionally, the concept of energy existing in different dimensions is not supported by current scientific theories. Energy is a fundamental property of the universe and is not limited to certain dimensions.

Overall, your thoughts on the relationship between gravity, mass, and the speed of light are interesting and show a good understanding of Einstein's theory of general relativity. However, it is important to remember that these are complex concepts and may require further study and research to fully understand.
 

Related to Gravity & Mass in Einstein's Gravity Model

1. How does mass affect gravity in Einstein's gravity model?

In Einstein's gravity model, mass is directly related to the curvature of spacetime. The more massive an object is, the more it curves the fabric of spacetime, which in turn affects the gravitational pull on other objects.

2. Does gravity work differently in Einstein's gravity model compared to Newton's model?

Yes, in Einstein's gravity model, gravity is not seen as a force between two objects, but rather as a result of the curvature of spacetime caused by the presence of mass. This is in contrast to Newton's model, which views gravity as a force of attraction between two objects.

3. How does Einstein's theory explain the phenomenon of gravitational time dilation?

In Einstein's theory, time is affected by the curvature of spacetime. Therefore, in the presence of massive objects, time moves slower due to the distortion of spacetime. This is known as gravitational time dilation.

4. Can gravity be shielded in Einstein's gravity model?

No, in Einstein's model, gravity is a fundamental property of spacetime and cannot be shielded or blocked. However, the strength of gravity can be weakened by distance or by the presence of other massive objects.

5. How does Einstein's gravity model explain the bending of light by massive objects?

According to Einstein's theory, massive objects curve the fabric of spacetime, which causes light to travel along curved paths around them. This is known as gravitational lensing and has been observed and confirmed by scientists.

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