Green's function for an impulsive force on a string

In summary, the conversation discusses solving a problem involving derivatives and the Heaviside step function. The participants work through finding the derivatives and simplifying the final expression using properties of the Dirac delta function. Ultimately, they use an alternative method to determine the relationship between two one-dimensional Dirac deltas and a two-dimensional Dirac delta.
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xago
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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



H'(t) = [itex]\delta[/itex](t)

The Attempt at a Solution



So far I've taken the derivatives of G(x,t) with respect to xx and tt and gotten
[itex]G_{xx}[/itex](x,t) = -[itex]\frac{θ^{2}}{c}[/itex] and
[itex]G_{tt}[/itex](x,t) = [itex]θ^{2}[/itex]c

which gives [itex]θ^{2}[/itex]c - [itex]c^{2}[/itex](-[itex]\frac{θ^{2}}{c}[/itex]) = [itex]\delta[/itex](x)[itex]\delta[/itex](t)

= 2[itex]θ^{2}[/itex]c = [itex]\frac{dH(x)}{dx}[/itex][itex]\frac{dH(t)}{dt}[/itex]
where H(x), H(t) are the heaviside step functions for x and t.

I'm not sure how these are related or if I've gone about this in a completely wrong way. (Dirac functions are not my strong suit :frown: )
 
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Is it possible that θ(ct-x) does not equal (θct - θx) which I assumed when I did the derivatives, but that theta is a function of ct -x ? In which case I'm really lost
 
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Hi xago! :smile:

No, θ(ct-x) does not equal (θct - θx).
The first is zero for any x and t for which ct-x=0.
The second is only zero if x=0 and t=0.

I recommend working out the derivatives using product rule and chain rule.
You can use that dθ/dx=δ(x) and dδ/dx=δ'(x).

For the final expression you'll need some properties of δ in 2 dimensions to simplify it.
 
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I don't understand how dθ/dx=δ(x)
 
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For [itex]G_{tt}[/itex](x,t) I'm getting [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]\frac{d^{2}}{dt^{2}}[/itex](θ)(ct-x)cθ(x+ct) + [itex]\frac{d}{dt}[/itex](θ)(ct-x)[itex]\frac{d}{dt}[/itex](θ)(x+ct)c + [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex]θ(ct-x)[itex]\frac{d^{2}}{dt^{2}}[/itex](θ)(x+ct)c

For [itex]G_{xx}[/itex](x,t) I get pretty much the same thign except divied by c, [itex]\frac{1}{c}([/itex][itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][itex]\frac{d^{2}}{dx^{2}}[/itex](θ)(ct-x)cθ(x+ct) + [itex]\frac{d}{dx}[/itex](θ)(ct-x)[itex]\frac{d}{dx}[/itex](θ)(x+ct)c + [itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex]θ(ct-x)[itex]\frac{d^{2}}{dx^{2}}[/itex](θ)(x+ct)c)

When I plug them into [itex]G_{tt}[/itex](x,t) - [itex]c^{2}[/itex][itex]G_{xx}[/itex](x,t) I get 2c[itex]\frac{d}{dt}[/itex](θ)(ct-x)[itex]\frac{d}{dx}[/itex](θ)(x+ct)
 
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Looks good!
That's also what I have.

Here's a few more properties of delta (from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function" ).

[itex]\delta(x,y)=\delta(x)\delta(y)[/itex]

[itex]\delta(ax)={\delta(x) \over |a|}[/itex]

[itex]\delta(R(x,y))=\delta(x,y)[/itex] for any rotation or reflection R.
 
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Well θ is a function of x and t right? So is take [itex]\frac{d}{dx}[/itex](θ)(x+ct) the same as δ(θ(x,t)) = δ(x,t) ?
or [itex]\frac{d}{dx}[/itex](θ)(x+ct) = δ(x)?
 
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xago said:
Well θ is a function of x and t right? So is take [itex]\frac{d}{dx}[/itex](θ)(x+ct) the same as δ(θ(x,t)) = δ(x,t) ?
or [itex]\frac{d}{dx}[/itex](θ)(x+ct) = δ(x)?

Not quite.
What you have is that θ'(y)=δ(y).
Applying the chain rule, you get:
[tex]{d \over dt}(\Theta(x+ct)) = \delta(x+ct) \cdot c[/tex]
Apparently you have already applied the chain rule, so you should just replace d/dt(θ)(x+ct) by δ(x+ct).
Edit: Note that δ(x+ct) is a one-dimensional dirac delta, while δ(x, ct) is a two-dimensional dirac delta.
 
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Right so what I'm trying to do get rid of the 2c term somehow, what I'm getting is

2cδ(x+ct)δ(ct-x) which I need to make equal to δ(x)δ(t)
 
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xago said:
Right so what I'm trying to do get rid of the 2c term somehow, what I'm getting is

2cδ(x+ct)δ(ct-x) which I need to make equal to δ(x)δ(t)

Yep.
 
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Here's an alternative method to find it:

Let f(u,v) be an unspecified function.
Then:
[tex]\iint f(ct+x, ct-x) \delta(ct+x) \delta(ct-x) dxdt = \iint f(u,v) \delta(u) \delta(v) |\det(J)| dudv[/tex]
where J is the Jacobian matrix identified by the transformation from (u,v) to (x,t).

Since this equation holds for any function f, it follows that:
[tex]\delta(ct+x) \delta(ct-x) = \delta(x) \delta(t) |\det(J)|[/tex]
which leaves only the Jacobian matrix to be identified.
 
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I understand it pretty good now, thanks for your help!
 
  • #14
You're welcome! :smile:
 

FAQ: Green's function for an impulsive force on a string

What is a Green's function for an impulsive force on a string?

A Green's function for an impulsive force on a string is a mathematical tool used to solve the wave equation for a string when it is subjected to a sudden, impulsive force at a specific time and location. It describes the response of the string to the force and can be used to find the displacement of the string at any point in time and space.

How is a Green's function for an impulsive force on a string derived?

The derivation of a Green's function for an impulsive force on a string involves solving the wave equation with a delta function as the source term. This results in a solution that represents the response of the string to an instantaneous force at a specific point in time and space. The Green's function is then obtained by taking the Fourier transform of this solution.

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