Hard? least common multiple problem

In summary, the conversation discusses whether a_i = m for some i given that the least common multiple of every n-1 natural numbers is equal to m. The speaker has tried building systems of equations and searching for counterexamples, but has not found a solution. They mention that n=2 is easy, but the method does not generalize. They also suggest trying for a few more values of n and looking for a pattern. The speaker then considers the case of n=3 and uses the example of (6,10,15) to illustrate how it is not always true that a_i = m. They mention that they are trying to solve a more general problem and have posted in the algebra section for more details.
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I'm trying to prove or disprove the following:

Let a_1, ..., a_n be natural numbers such that the least common multiple of EVERY n-1 of them is equal to lcm(a_1, ..., a_n) = m. Is it true that a_i = m for some i?

The method I've tried so far is to build systems of equations using the information known to prove it in the positive, but it gets very messy. I've also had no luck finding a counter example.

n=2 is easy (it's true), but the method doesn't generalize.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Try it for a few more n's and do you see a pattern?
 
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Consider n=3: (a,b,c), and let's try to find a counterexample. Let d=gcd(a,b), e=gcd(b,c), f=gcd(a,c). Clearly we must have d,e,f>1 or one would be the lcm of the other two. Let's assume that (d,e,f)=1 for simplicity. The simplest way to construct a triple would be (df,de,ef). Then:
lcm(df,de)=lcm(de,ef)=lcm(df,ef)=lcm(df,ef,de)=def=m > a,b,c. Or a more concrete example: (6,10,15) then the lcm = 30.
 
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Many thanks. Yes, silly of me not to spot this sooner. Actually I'm trying to solve a more general problem and this would have been a sufficient condition if it were true. My post in the algebra section has the details.
 

FAQ: Hard? least common multiple problem

What is the definition of a "least common multiple"?

A least common multiple (LCM) is the smallest positive number that is divisible by two or more numbers without leaving any remainder.

How do you find the LCM of two or more numbers?

To find the LCM of two or more numbers, you can use the prime factorization method or the ladder method. The prime factorization method involves breaking down each number into its prime factors and then multiplying the common and uncommon prime factors to get the LCM. The ladder method involves creating a "ladder" with the numbers and finding the smallest number that is a multiple of all the given numbers.

What is the relationship between LCM and the "hard" least common multiple problem?

The "hard" least common multiple problem refers to finding the LCM of more than two numbers, which can be more challenging than finding the LCM of just two numbers. However, the process of finding the LCM remains the same regardless of the number of given numbers.

Can the LCM of two numbers be larger than both numbers?

Yes, the LCM of two numbers can be larger than both numbers. This is because the LCM is the smallest number that is divisible by both numbers, which means it can be a multiple of both numbers and therefore be larger than either of them.

Why is finding the LCM important in mathematics?

Finding the LCM is important in mathematics because it is used in many different mathematical concepts and calculations. It is particularly useful in simplifying fractions, adding and subtracting fractions with different denominators, and solving word problems involving multiple quantities and rates.

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