Help Understanding Biot-Savart Law Issue

In summary, the conversation discusses the process of parameterizing a current loop and the confusion surrounding the use of dl in the equation. The concept of a circle being described as a set of points is introduced, and the tangent vector to the current path is explained as r'(t). The geometric interpretation of the tangent vector is also discussed, with the unit vector being +/- (0, -sin, cos). Finally, an explanation of why this vector is chosen is provided.
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I've been looking at my electromagnetism lecture notes I have been given and am trying to make sense of a step made in parameterising a current loop.

I am really confused about the part where dl is first state. I have no idea how the 0, sine and cosine got there. I suspect that it's something to do with arc lengths, however. Although I'm not 100% sure.

In short, I need help, desperately.
 

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Well for starters, consider a circle of radius r drawn on a two-dimensional graph, centered at the origin. Do you understand that the circle can be described as the set of points
[tex](r\cos\theta, r\sin\theta)[/tex]
for [itex]0 \leq \theta \leq 2\pi[/itex]?
 
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diazona said:
Well for starters, consider a circle of radius r drawn on a two-dimensional graph, centered at the origin. Do you understand that the circle can be described as the set of points
[tex](r\cos\theta, r\sin\theta)[/tex]
for [itex]0 \leq \theta \leq 2\pi[/itex]?

I understand that part with no difficulties. It explains the first step in which point rc is denoted.

It's just the second stage that I'm not seeing clearly. It looks like a(0, -sin[tex]\theta[/tex], cos[tex]\theta[/tex]) is arrived at by differentiation of rc, but I cannot make the connection between doing that and finding dl.
 
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there are a couple of ways to look at this.

the easiest is probably that dl is a tangent vector to the
path that the current takes. and if we have a function
r(t) = (x(t), y(t), z(t)) then the tangent vector is given
by r'(t) = (x'(t), y'(t), z'(t)).


more geometrically we can guess what the tangent vector
should look like. it's length should be the "infinitessimal" arc
so [itex]a d\phi[/itex] and should be pointing in the direction
the current is going. a unit vector pointing to the spot on the
circle is (0, cos, sin), so a unit vector tangent to the circle is
+/- (0, -sin, cos) where we pick the sign to match the direction
the current is going.

how did i know to pick (0, -sin, cos)? well here's an argument.
for points on the circle r^2 = a^2, so we differentiate to see
[itex] r(\phi) \cdot \frac{dr}{d\phi} = 0 [/itex] so that r is perpendicular to
[itex]\frac{dr}{d\phi}[/itex]. then we only need to guess something that's
perpendicular...
 
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qbert said:
there are a couple of ways to look at this.

the easiest is probably that dl is a tangent vector to the
path that the current takes. and if we have a function
r(t) = (x(t), y(t), z(t)) then the tangent vector is given
by r'(t) = (x'(t), y'(t), z'(t)).


more geometrically we can guess what the tangent vector
should look like. it's length should be the "infinitessimal" arc
so [itex]a d\phi[/itex] and should be pointing in the direction
the current is going. a unit vector pointing to the spot on the
circle is (0, cos, sin), so a unit vector tangent to the circle is
+/- (0, -sin, cos) where we pick the sign to match the direction
the current is going.

how did i know to pick (0, -sin, cos)? well here's an argument.
for points on the circle r^2 = a^2, so we differentiate to see
[itex] r(\phi) \cdot \frac{dr}{d\phi} = 0 [/itex] so that r is perpendicular to
[itex]\frac{dr}{d\phi}[/itex]. then we only need to guess something that's
perpendicular...

Thank you so much for the help. Your reply explains the solution really well.
 

FAQ: Help Understanding Biot-Savart Law Issue

1. What is the Biot-Savart Law?

The Biot-Savart Law is a fundamental law in electromagnetism that describes the relationship between an electric current and the resulting magnetic field.

2. How is the Biot-Savart Law used in science?

The Biot-Savart Law is used to calculate the magnetic field produced by a steady current, such as in a wire or a loop of wire. It is also used to understand the magnetic field around a current-carrying conductor, such as in an electromagnet or a solenoid.

3. What are the key components of the Biot-Savart Law?

The key components of the Biot-Savart Law are the electric current, the distance from the current, and the angle between the direction of the current and the distance vector. It also includes the permeability of free space, a constant that relates the magnetic field to the current.

4. How does the Biot-Savart Law relate to other laws in electromagnetism?

The Biot-Savart Law is closely related to other laws in electromagnetism, such as Ampere's Law and Gauss's Law. These laws all describe different aspects of the relationship between electric currents and magnetic fields, and are used together to fully understand electromagnetic phenomena.

5. What are some real-world applications of the Biot-Savart Law?

The Biot-Savart Law has many practical applications in various fields, such as electrical engineering, physics, and medicine. It is used to design and analyze devices such as generators, motors, and MRI machines. It also helps in understanding the behavior of magnetic materials and the Earth's magnetic field.

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