Help with a wave equation derivation

In summary, the conversation discusses a derivation of an equation related to the formation of a superposition wave with a Doppler effect. The derivation involves applying a Lorentz transformation and using exponential algebra to simplify the equation. There is a typo in the original equation [1], but it can be reduced to the correct form [1c] by applying substitutions. The equivalence of [1b] and [2c] is confirmed, but the reasoning behind proceeding from [2] to [3] is unclear. There is also confusion about using trigonometric identities in the derivation.
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Hi,
Apologises if I have submitted this issue into the wrong Math forum. However, I was wondering if anybody could help me with 2 steps in a derivation of an equation. Simply by way of background, the derivation is linked to formation of a superposition wave subject to a Doppler effect

[1] [tex]\phi = Ae^{i \left( ct+r \right)k/\gamma \left(1+\beta \right)} - Ae^{i \left( ct-r \right)k \gamma \left(1-\beta \right)} [/tex]

So based on [1], the derivation states that [2] can be obtain by a process of multiplying exponents, rearranging and factoring.

[2] [tex]\phi = Ae^{ik \gamma \left( ct + \beta r \right)} \left( e^{ik \gamma \left( \beta ct+r \right)} - e^{-ik \gamma \left( \beta ct+r \right)} \right) [/tex]

However, so far, I have only managed to create a bit of a mess as I haven’t found a way of rationalising the different expressions in the exponentials. Would really appreciate any help that might confirm that step [2] is valid from [1] and/or any pointers as to how it is done. Thanks
 
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Equation [1] was obtained by applying a Lorentz transformation from a 'stationary frame' {x',t') to a 'moving frame' {x,t}.
If you go back to the 'stationary frame', you will easily see the equivalence of [1] and [2] .
The equivalence of [1] and [2] in the moving frame is then obvious.

note1: there is a small typo in [1]
note2: remember the Lorentz transformation: x' = γ (x + β c t) and c t' = γ (c t + β x)
 
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maajdl said:
Equation [1] was obtained by applying a Lorentz transformation from a 'stationary frame' {x',t') to a 'moving frame' {x,t}. If you go back to the 'stationary frame', you will easily see the equivalence of [1] and [2] . The equivalence of [1] and [2] in the moving frame is then obvious.
note1: there is a small typo in [1]
note2: remember the Lorentz transformation: x' = γ (x + β c t) and c t' = γ (c t + β x)

Many thanks for the helpful reply in #2. Your suggestion about collapsing [1] back to the stationary frame allowed me to spot a mistake I was making with my exponential algebra, it has been awhile! The following equations are primarily for confirmation and for future cross reference. However, I would like to know exactly where you think the ‘small typo’ in [1] lies as it is correct to the source. As suggested, switching back to the stationary frame, i.e. v=0, allows the following substitutions:

[0] [itex]\beta=\frac{v}{c}=0[/itex]; [itex]\left(1-\beta \right)=1[/itex]; [itex]\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\beta^2}}=1[/itex]; [itex]\gamma \beta=0[/itex]

This allows [1] to be reduced to:

[1] [itex]\phi = Ae^{i \left( ct+r \right)k/\gamma \left(1+\beta \right)} - Ae^{i \left( ct-r \right)k \gamma \left(1-\beta \right)} [/itex]

[1a] [itex]\phi = Ae^{i \left( ct+r \right)k} - Ae^{i \left( ct-r \right)k} [/itex]

[1b] [itex]\phi = Ae^{i \left( \omega t+kr \right)} - Ae^{i \left( \omega t-kr \right)} [/itex]

The second version is just to highlight the normal format of a standard wave equation within the exponential, which I believe can be transposed back into a trigonometric form using the following identity:

[TI-1] [itex]e^{i \theta} = cos \theta + i sin \theta [/itex]

However, using only the ‘real’ part allows [1b] to be written as:

[1c] [itex]\phi = A cos \left( \omega t+kr \right) - A cos \left( \omega t-kr \right) [/itex]

I don’t know where you think the typo was in [1], as the solution in [1c] looks OK to me, except I don’t understand why the two wave amplitudes are subtracted as this is a description of superposition wave. While I am still investigating this issue, I suspect it is because the following identity [TI-2] is used later in the derivation - see [2]/[3] below, although the substitution looks incorrect to me:

[TI-2] [itex]sin(\theta)= \frac{e^{i\theta} – e^{-i\theta}}{2i} \Longrightarrow e^{i\theta} – e^{-i\theta}=(2i)sin(\theta)[/itex]

[TI-3] [itex]cos(\theta)= \frac{e^{i\theta} + e^{-i\theta}}{2} \Longrightarrow e^{i\theta} + e^{-i\theta}=(2)cos(\theta)[/itex]

Anyway, converting [2] to a stationary form using the substitutions in [0] above gives:

[2a] [itex]\phi = Ae^{ik*1 \left( ct + 0*r \right)} \left( e^{ik*1 \left( 0+r \right)} - e^{-ik*1 \left( 0+r \right)} \right) \Longrightarrow Ae^{i \left( \omega t \right)} \left( e^{i \left(kr \right)} - e^{-i \left(kr \right)} \right) [/itex]

[2b] [itex]\phi = Ae^{i \left( \omega t \right)}e^{i \left(kr \right)} -Ae^{i \left( \omega t \right)}
e^{-i \left(kr \right)} \Longrightarrow Ae^{\left( i \omega t +ikr\right)} - Ae^{\left( i \omega t - ikr\right)} [/itex]

[2c] [itex]\phi = Ae^{i \left( \omega t + kr\right)} - Ae^{i \left( \omega t - kr\right)} [/itex]

So, as you indicated, the equivalence of [1b] and [2c] appears to be confirmed. However, I still don’t really understand why the derivation proceeds from [2] as follows, which appears to be dependent on [TR-2], but then seems to lose the complex value in [3]:

[2] [itex]\phi = Ae^{ik \gamma \left( ct + \beta r \right)} \left( e^{ik \gamma \left( \beta ct+r \right)} - e^{-ik \gamma \left( \beta ct+r \right)} \right) [/itex]

[3] [itex]\phi = 2Ae^{ik \gamma \left( ct + \beta r \right)} sin \left[ k \gamma \left( \beta ct + r \right) \right] [/itex]

However, if [2] was changed to reflect a superposition of 2 additive waves it would presumably become:

[2’] [itex]\phi = Ae^{ik \gamma \left( ct + \beta r \right)} \left( e^{ik \gamma \left( \beta ct+r \right)} + e^{-ik \gamma \left( \beta ct+r \right)} \right) [/itex]

If so, the [TR-3] could then be used such that [3] would become:

[3’] [itex]\phi = 2Ae^{ik \gamma \left( ct + \beta r \right)} cos \left[ k \gamma \left( \beta ct + r \right) \right] [/itex]

Finally, using [TR-1], I would have thought that the remaining complex exponential could also be replaced by taking only the ‘rea partl’, such that [3’] would become:

[4] [itex]\phi = 2A cos \left[ k \gamma \left( ct + \beta r \right) \right] cos \left[ k \gamma \left( \beta ct +r \right) \right] \Longrightarrow 2A cos \left[ \gamma \left( \omega t + \beta k r \right) \right] cos \left[ \gamma \left( \beta \omega t + kr \right) \right][/itex]

Anyway, as stated, much of this is purely for future reference, but would appreciate the correction of the 'maths' on my part. I still need to take a closer look at the Lorentz transformation in this wave process and while I already have some issues to resolve within this derivation, it is presumably best if I raise these in another PF forum, e.g. general physics? Again, I really appreciate the help. Thanks
 

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