Help with coordinate transformation problem

In summary, the conversation discusses deriving equations for elliptical cylindrical coordinates and verifying that certain relations hold true. The relevant variables are u, v, and z, and the position vector for the coordinate system can be written as r = (a * cosh (u) * cos (v))[i] + (a * sinh (u) * sin (v))[j] + z[k]. The identities sin^2=1-cos^2 and sinh^2 = cosh^2 -1 are helpful in simplifying the equations and obtaining the desired result of h_u = h_v = a * sqrt(cosh^2 (u) - cos^2 (v)) and h_z = 1.
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Homework Statement



For elliptical cylindrical coordinates:

x = a * cosh (u) * cos (v)
y = a * sinh (u) * sin (v)
z = z

Derive the relations analogous to those of Equations (168b-e) for circular cylindrical coordinates. In particular, verify that

h_u = h_v = a * sqrt(cosh^2 (u) - cos^2 (v))
h_z = 1

u_1 = {[sinh (u) * cos (v)](i) + [cosh (u) * sin (v)](j)} / sqrt(cosh^2 (u) - cos^2 (v))
u_2 = {[cosh (u) * sin (v)](-i) + [sinh (u) * cos (v)](j)} / sqrt(cosh^2 (u) - cos^2 (v))

Homework Equations



From the book:
h_u = magnitude( dr/du_1)
and similarly for h_v and h_z

U_u = h_u * u_u



The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, so I think I am either getting confused between u's or am missing some vital trig identity.
From the equations given for the x,y and z coordinates, I get that the new relevant variables are u, v and z. So the position vector for the coordinate system can be written as:

r = (a * cosh (u) * cos (v)) + (a * sinh (u) * sin (v))[j] + z[k]

So, from here I can get:

u_u = (dr/du_u) = (a * sinh (u) * cos (v)) + (a * cosh (u) * sin (v))[j] + 0[k]
u_v = (dr/du_v) = (-a * cosh (u) * sin (v)) + (a * sinh (u) * cos (v))[j] + 0[k]
u_z = (dr/du_z) = 0 + 0[j] + 1[k]

from here, it follows from the formulas in the book that:

h_u = magnitude(dr/du_u) = sqrt [(a * sinh (u) * cos (v))^2 + (a * cosh (u) * sin (v))^2 + 0^2]

=a * sqrt[sinh^2 (u) cos^2 (v) +cosh^2 (u) sin^2 (v)]

This is as far as I can simplify it, and I do not know how they are getting their answer of a * sqrt(cosh^2 (u) - cos^2 (v)), unless there is some identity that I am unaware of or I screwed something up somewhere along the line. Any ideas or insight from someone who has done coordinate transformations before?
 
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You might find the next identities helpful:
sin^2=1-cos^2

sinh^2 = cosh^2 -1
 
  • #3
That helped greatly! Thanks! I was aware of the sin - cos identity, but had never been taught the hyperbolic identities. With those I easily get the answer they give.
 

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