Help with the fundamental forces.

In summary, the conversation discusses the idea of breaking up the solar system into individual atoms and creating a gas cloud to understand the four fundamental forces. It also explores what would happen if one of these forces were removed and how it would affect the evolution of the gas cloud. Without gravity, the cloud would not collapse, without electromagnetism there would be no atoms formed, without the weak force nuclear reactions cannot occur, and without the strong force there would be no nuclei or hadrons.
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tolove
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Could someone help me understand the four fundamental forces?

I'd like to set up a thought experiment as well:

Let's break up our solar system into individual atoms, and create a gas cloud about the size of our solar system. All things like they are, the gas should slowly come together, and form something similar to what we have, right?

Now, in an effort to understand dark matter, along with what the fundamental forces do, what happens if we individually take away one of the fundamental forces from the gas? How will the cloud evolve over time? Such as, without electromagnetism, is it possible for a star or planet to form? What do the strong and weak forces do? How will the matter change as we remove a fundamental force?

I know this may not be the best approach, but maybe you can help me find a better way to think about it?

Thanks for your time!
 
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tolove said:
Let's break up our solar system into individual atoms, and create a gas cloud about the size of our solar system. All things like they are, the gas should slowly come together, and form something similar to what we have, right?
Probably much smaller (natural collapsing gas clouds are quite large), and a bit less massive, but it depends on the angular momentum you give that cloud.

Now, in an effort to understand dark matter, along with what the fundamental forces do, what happens if we individually take away one of the fundamental forces from the gas? How will the cloud evolve over time? Such as, without electromagnetism, is it possible for a star or planet to form? What do the strong and weak forces do? How will the matter change as we remove a fundamental force?
Dark matter is irrelevant for the formation of individual stars.

Should look like this:

Without gravity the gas cloud does not collapse at all.

Without electromagnetism there are not atoms, electrons and nuclei just pass through each other and there is no pressure. Nuclear reactions happen as there is no repulsion between the nuclei, forming increasingly larger nuclei (I don't think there is an upper limit on stability now as there is no repulsion between protons any more). I guess you would create a large, thin cloud of really exotic nuclei, with a few electrons hanging around (unless they start with sufficient energy to escape).

Without the weak force, no nuclear reactions can happen. The gas cloud heats and collapses, and the new sun gets a white dwarf quickly as there is no additional source of energy.

Without the strong force, there are no nuclei or hadrons (like protons and neutrons) at all, it is unclear how the initial state is supposed to look like.
 

FAQ: Help with the fundamental forces.

What are the fundamental forces in physics?

The fundamental forces in physics are the four interactions that govern the behavior of matter and energy in the universe: gravity, electromagnetism, strong nuclear force, and weak nuclear force.

How do these fundamental forces work?

Each fundamental force is carried by a specific type of particle, known as a force carrier. These particles are constantly interacting with matter, causing objects to attract or repel each other, hold together atoms, and cause radioactive decay.

Why is it important to understand the fundamental forces?

Understanding the fundamental forces allows us to better understand the behavior of matter and energy in the universe, from the smallest subatomic particles to the largest galaxies. It also helps us develop advanced technologies and make new discoveries in science.

Are the fundamental forces constant or do they change?

The fundamental forces are believed to be constant throughout the universe, but scientists continue to study and research to better understand their behavior and potential variations under certain extreme conditions.

Can the fundamental forces be unified?

There have been attempts by physicists to unify the fundamental forces into a single, unified theory. While there have been some promising theories, such as string theory, a unifying theory has not yet been fully developed and remains an ongoing area of research in physics.

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