Higher-Order DE Factoring: Can You Help Me Factor This Differential Equation?

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The discussion revolves around factoring the differential equation 2(d^5y/dx^5) - 7(d^4y/dx^4) + 12(d^3y/dx^3) + 8(d^2y/dx^2) = 0, with its auxiliary equation being 2m^5 - 7m^4 + 12m^3 + 8m^2 = 0. The polynomial 2m^3 - 7m^2 + 12m + 8 is initially thought to be unfactorable, but participants suggest using the rational root theorem and polynomial long division. A root of -1/2 is identified through graphing, leading to the factorization (m + 1/2)(2m^2 - 8m + 16). The conversation emphasizes the importance of root finding techniques and graphing in solving higher-order differential equations.
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Hi,

Can somebody please help me to factor the following DE?

2\frac{d^5y}{dx^5} -7\frac{d^4y}{dx^4} + 12\frac{d^3y}{dx^3} + 8\frac{d^2y}{dx^2} = 0

The auxiliary equation of above DE is

2m^5 - 7m^4 + 12m^3 + 8m^2 = 0

m^2(2m^3-7m^2 + 12m + 8) = 0

The equation of 2m^3-7m^2+12m+8 is cannot be factored in any form, at least after I try for several times.

Thanks in advance
 
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optics.tech said:
The equation of 2m^3-7m^2+12m+8 is cannot be factored in any form, at least after I try for several times.

That polynomial can certainly be factorized. You just need to look a little harder, or try some basic root finding
 
Hi Scottie,

Thanks in advance.

Since the degree of polynomial is > 2 then to find the factor is “by division”.

I’ve try that way but there is no solution.

Do you mean that “basic root finding” is\frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}?

If so, since it’s only can be used for 2-degree polynomial, how to use that formula in 3 degree of polynomial equation?

Thank you very much
 
Just plot
optics.tech said:
(2m^3-7m^2 + 12m + 8)
with a plotting hand calculator or computer plotting routine or by hand calculation. You will see a root, then check you have an exact one.

Note you have already factored the equations somewhat; that gives you some solution already which will later enter into the general solution.
 
The "rational root theorem" says that the only possible rational roots must have denominator divisible by 2 (coefficient of x3) and numerator a factor of 8. That is, the only possible rational roots are \pm 1/2, \pm1, \pm2, \pm4, or \pm8. Since you can get reasonable factoring only with rational roots, try those and see if any are roots.
 
Graphing 2m3-7m2+12m+8 reveals that \frac{-1}{2} is a root.

Using polynomial long division by (m+\frac{1}{2}) yields this:

(m+\frac{1}{2})(2m2-8m+16)=2m3-7m2+12m+8

See if you can finish from here.
 
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