Horrible problem about abelian groups

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In summary, the conversation discusses how to prove that a group G is abelian using the given equality (ab)^i = (a^i)(b^i) for 3 consecutive positive integers. The method involves reducing the equality integer by integer until reaching the equation ab=ba, which proves the group is abelian. The conversation also mentions using cancellation laws to simplify the equations.
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G is a group and for all elements a,b in G,
(ab)^i = (a^i)(b^i) holds for 3 consecutive positive integers.
Show that G is abelian.

I know how to prove that if (ab)^2 = (a^2)(b^2) then G is abelian. I was thinking that you could reduce the given equality integer by integer till 2 or something like that, but all I have been able to do so far is use the cancellation laws to get some gibberish. HAALP!
 
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OK, we can do this all formally, but it's best to do with an example. Let's assume that

aaaabbbb = abababab

aaaaabbbbb = ababababab

aaaaaabbbbbb = abababababab

Let's deal with the first two equalities first. Substitute abababab=aaaabbbb into aaaaabbbbb.
Can you use this to prove that abababab = babababa ??
 
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baabaa black sheep
 
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starting with the 2nd equation, using the left and right cancellation laws on a and b you get
aaaabbbb =babababa. Using this is with the first equation yields babababa=abababab
 
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OK, now do the same with the second and the third equation.
 
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3rd equation => aaaaabbbbb=bababababa
plugging into the 2nd gives bababababa=ababababab
then plug in babababa=abababab to cancel and get ab=ba
=D
thank you@!
 

FAQ: Horrible problem about abelian groups

What is an abelian group?

An abelian group is a mathematical structure consisting of a set of elements and a binary operation that satisfies the commutative property, meaning that the order of the elements does not affect the result of the operation. It is named after mathematician Niels Henrik Abel.

What makes the problem about abelian groups "horrible"?

The problem about abelian groups is considered "horrible" because it is notoriously difficult to solve. It involves finding a finite set of equations that can determine the structure of an abelian group, and this set of equations is still unknown.

How are abelian groups used in science?

Abelian groups are used in various branches of science, such as physics, chemistry, and computer science. In physics, they are used to describe symmetries in physical systems. In chemistry, they are used to classify molecules based on their symmetry. In computer science, they are used in cryptography and error-correcting codes.

What are some examples of abelian groups?

Some examples of abelian groups include the integers under addition, the real numbers under addition, and the set of 2x2 matrices with real entries under matrix addition. Any finite cyclic group is also an abelian group.

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Although not immediately obvious, abelian groups have many applications in everyday life. For example, they are used in music theory to describe the symmetries and harmonies in music. They are also used in image processing to analyze and manipulate images. In economics, abelian groups are used to model consumer preferences and market demand.

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