How Accurate Is the Math in the Hafele and Keating Experiment Analysis?

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In summary, the author found an incorrect algorithm for calculating the time shift effect on a GPS clock after the GR effect. The original poster should probably look at some other sources for information.
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While researching how SR effect could be applied to GPS clock after GR effect, I encountered the experiment made on 1971.

In the section "Kinematic Time Shift Calculation", I saw an totally no sense algorithm, violating simple math.

First,
Ts = T0 * (1+R^2w^2/(2*c^2)), where Ts is the Earth surface time, R is the Earth's radius and w is the Earth's angular velocity of Earth's rotation.

Second,
Ta = T0 * (1+(R^2*w^2+v^2)/(2*c^2)), where Ta is the airplane's time and v is airplane's velocity.

Then,
Ta-Ts = T0 *( 2Rwv+V^2)/(2c^2).

Up to here , it's totally reasonable.

Next thing, it brought in is completely math. incorrect.

Ta-Ts = - Ts * (2Rwv+v^2)/2c^2.

Note the minus sign coming from nowhere. If Ta is larger than Ts from the first two equations, Ta-Ts will never be negative.

If this math. can live in the Physics, there is definitely something wrong.
 
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I think you mean http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html#c5"

Yes, this derivation is loose a litle bit.
In the first equation, i.e. in [tex]T = \frac{T_0}{\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2}}[/tex]
[tex]T_0[/tex] is the time elapsed between two events occurring in the centre of the Earth, while [tex]T[/tex] stands for the time elapsed between this two events in an inertial reference frame moving with velocity v with respect the centre of the Earth.

Really, here is nothing to do with this. We need just the opposite. If the proper time elapsed on the airplane is T (this isn't an inertial frame!), then during this, in the centre of the Earth elapses
[tex]T_0 = \frac{T}{\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2}}[/tex]
time (the centre of the Earth is regarded now to move inertially)

So, our second equation reads correctly
[tex]T \approx T_0 \left[ 1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}\right] [/tex].

And so on. The sign was missed at the beginning.
 
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The original poster should probably look at http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507121 and http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html . Happy reading!
 
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Fine! Thx!
 

FAQ: How Accurate Is the Math in the Hafele and Keating Experiment Analysis?

What is the Hafele and Keating Experiment?

The Hafele and Keating Experiment was a test of Einstein's theory of relativity. It involved measuring the behavior of atomic clocks when placed on planes flying in opposite directions around the world.

When was the Hafele and Keating Experiment conducted?

The experiment was conducted in October 1971 by Joseph C. Hafele and Richard E. Keating, both physicists from the United States.

What were the results of the Hafele and Keating Experiment?

The results of the experiment showed that the atomic clocks on the planes did in fact show a difference in time when compared to clocks on the ground. This supported Einstein's theory of relativity, which predicts that time slows down as an object's speed increases.

How did the Hafele and Keating Experiment impact the world of physics?

The Hafele and Keating Experiment provided strong evidence for the theory of relativity and helped to further our understanding of the universe. It also paved the way for future experiments and research in the field of relativity and time dilation.

Are there any criticisms of the Hafele and Keating Experiment?

Some have questioned the accuracy of the experiment and argued that other factors, such as the Earth's gravitational field, could have influenced the results. However, the experiment has been replicated multiple times with consistent results, making it a significant and widely accepted scientific achievement.

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