How Can I Derive a Contradiction from This Mathematical Statement?

In summary, the conversation discusses the effort to prove that the polynomial $x^4-2$ is irreducible over $\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{5})$. The suggested method is to derive a contradiction by assuming that $\sqrt{5}$ can be written as a linear combination of rational numbers and a non-rational number. However, it is not clear how to disprove this assumption.
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How can I derive a contradiction from the following nasty statement:

Assume $\sqrt{5} = a + b\sqrt[4]{2} + c\sqrt[4]{4} + d\sqrt[4]{8},$ with $a,b,c,d \in \mathbb{Q}$?

*This is the last piece of an effort to prove that the polynomial $x^4-2$ is irreducible over $\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{5}).$*
 
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kalish said:
How can I derive a contradiction from the following nasty statement:

Assume $\sqrt{5} = a + b\sqrt[4]{2} + c\sqrt[4]{4} + d\sqrt[4]{8},$ with $a,b,c,d \in \mathbb{Q}$?

*This is the last piece of an effort to prove that the polynomial $x^4-2$ is irreducible over $\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{5}).$*

Since no one has replied I'll give it a crack (at the risk of leading you astray).

Let's multiply your equation through by the least common multiple of the denominators of a,b,c and d. I'll call that number e. Then we have:

$e \sqrt{5} = a' + b'\sqrt[4]{2} + c'\sqrt[4]{4} + d'\sqrt[4]{8},$ with $a',b',c',d',e \in \mathbb{Z}$

Let's define $x=\sqrt[4]{2}$

so:
$e \sqrt{5} = a' + b'x + c'x^2 + d'x^3,$ with $a',b',c',d',e \in \mathbb{Z}$

squaring both sides and defining a",b",c",d",e" appropriately:
$5e''= a''+ b''x + c''x^2 + d''x^3,$ with $a'',b'',c'',d'',e'' \in \mathbb{Z}$

or
$a'''+ b''x + c''x^2 + d''x^3=0$, with $a''',b'',c'',d'' \in \mathbb{Z}$ and $x \not\in \mathbb{Q}$

It seems to me it must be possible to disprove this last statement. But I can't see how.
 

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