How can I integrate trig functions using u-substitution and n-substitution?

In summary, the conversation discusses a practice problem involving integration and the use of substitutions. The person solves the problem using u and n substitutions and checks their answer using WolframAlpha. They also receive helpful tips from others in the conversation.
  • #1
marc017
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This isn't homework, It is just book problems that I am practicing, I am checking some answers with wolfram and others with the book answers.

Homework Statement



[tex]
\begin{align}
\int \frac{sin(w)\,dw}{\sqrt{1-cos(w)}}\\
\end{align}
[/tex]

Homework Equations



I used u substitution... Not sure if I approached this problem the correct way

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]
\begin{align}
\int \frac{sin(w)\,dw}{\sqrt{1-cos(w)}}\\
\end{align}
[/tex]

Using U sub... U = cos(w), du = -sin(w)

[tex]
\begin{align}
- \int \frac{\,du}{\sqrt{1-u}}\\
\end{align}
[/tex]

Using n sub... n=1-u, dn = -1

[tex]
\begin{align}
\int \frac{\,du}{\sqrt{n}} = 2\sqrt{(1-cos(w))} + C\\
\end{align}
[/tex]
 
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  • #2
marc017 said:
This isn't homework, It is just book problems that I am practicing, I am checking some answers with wolfram and others with the book answers.

Homework Statement



[tex]
\begin{align}
\int \frac{sin(w)\,dw}{\sqrt{1-cos(w)}}\\
\end{align}
[/tex]


Homework Equations



I used u substitution... Not sure if I approached this problem the correct way

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]
\begin{align}
\int \frac{sin(w)\,dw}{\sqrt{1-cos(w)}}\\
\end{align}
[/tex]

Using U sub... U = cos(w), du = -sin(w)

[tex]
\begin{align}
- \int \frac{\,du}{\sqrt{1-u}}\\
\end{align}
[/tex]

Using n sub... n=1-u, dn = -1

[tex]
\begin{align}
\int \frac{\,du}{\sqrt{n}} = 2\sqrt{(1-cos(w))} + C\\
\end{align}
[/tex]

Looks good. One nice thing about these types of problems is that you can check them yourself. If your answer is correct, you should be able to differentiate it and get the integrand.

As for your substitution, what you did is OK, but you can kill two birds with one stone by letting u = 1 - cos(w). Then du = sin(w)dw.
 
  • #3
Mark44 said:
Looks good. One nice thing about these types of problems is that you can check them yourself. If your answer is correct, you should be able to differentiate it and get the integrand.

As for your substitution, what you did is OK, but you can kill two birds with one stone by letting u = 1 - cos(w). Then du = sin(w)dw.

Thank you.. I was checking the integrals on wolfram but it seems to work much better if I take my answer and try to get the integral. And I can't believe I didn't think of the 1-cos(w) substitution :redface:

I just found this forum and you guys have been a lot of help! Maybe one day i will be good enough to answer other people's questions.
 
  • #4
marc017 said:
Thank you.. I was checking the integrals on wolfram but it seems to work much better if I take my answer and try to get the integral.
...
Speaking of using WolframAlpha, their result for this integration is ##\displaystyle \ \frac{4 \sin^2(x/2)}{(1-\cos(x))^{3/2}}+C \ .##

By the way, this is equivalent to your answer.
 

FAQ: How can I integrate trig functions using u-substitution and n-substitution?

1. What is trigonometric substitution in Calc 2 integration?

Trigonometric substitution is a technique used to solve integrals involving trigonometric functions. It involves substituting a trigonometric function for one or more variables in the integral, and then using trigonometric identities to simplify the integral.

2. How do I determine which trigonometric substitution to use?

The substitution you use will depend on the form of the integral. Generally, you can use the following guidelines:

  • If the integral contains expressions of the form x2 + a2 or x2 - a2, use the substitution x = a tan θ
  • If the integral contains expressions of the form x2 - a2 or x2 + a2, use the substitution x = a sec θ
  • If the integral contains expressions of the form x2 + a2 or x2 - a2, use the substitution x = a cot θ

3. Can I use trigonometric substitution for all integrals involving trigonometric functions?

No, trigonometric substitution is only applicable for certain types of integrals. It is important to identify the form of the integral before deciding to use trigonometric substitution.

4. Are there any special cases I need to consider when using trigonometric substitution?

Yes, there are a few special cases to consider. If the integral involves both trigonometric and logarithmic functions, you may need to use the substitution x = eθ. Additionally, if the integral involves the square root of an expression, you may need to use the substitution x = a sin θ or x = a cos θ.

5. Can I use trigonometric substitution to solve definite integrals?

Yes, trigonometric substitution can be used to solve both indefinite and definite integrals. However, you will need to adjust the limits of integration when evaluating the definite integral using trigonometric substitution.

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