How Can I Solve for the Travel Time of a Particle in a Potential?

In summary, @BvU has been trying to solve problem 2 in Hall’s QM book for ages, but is having trouble. He thinks that it might be because the book is titled Quantum Theory for Mathematicians and he’s not a mathematician, so he is looking for help from someone who could provide a formal proof. @BvU is unsure of what to do next.
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Homework Statement
Problem 2 in Chapter 2 of Hall’s QM book. See pictures below
Relevant Equations
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I’ve been trying to solve this for ages. Would really appreciate some hints. Thanks
 
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Hello @haziq ,
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haziq said:
Homework Statement:: Problem 2 in Chapter 2 of Hall’s QM book. See pictures below
Relevant Equations:: See photo below

solve this for ages

And you are aware that with 'this' you mean the step from $$\dot x(t)=\sqrt{{2\left (E_0-V\left ( x\left (t \right )\right) \right) \over m}} $$ to ##t= ...## by separation ?

PF guidelines require that you actually post your best attempt before we are allowed to assist ...

PS notice how much sharper it looks with ##\LaTeX## ?
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Hi @BvU, sorry for the confusion. That’s not the problem I was referring to. I just included that for context. That’s actually problem 1 and it was pretty easy to solve. With regards to problem 2, I’m completely lost. Probably because the book is titled Quantum Theory for Mathematicians and I’m not a mathematician. Perhaps I could share my attempt after someone gives me some hints?
 
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BvU said:
PF guidelines require that you actually post your best attempt before we are allowed to assist .
 
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@BvU Fair enough :smile:. Here’s what I’ve deduced so far (for part a)
  • Assuming ##V’(x_1) \neq 0##, we need to show that ##t=lim_{h \rightarrow x_1} \int_{x_0}^{h} {\sqrt{\frac {m} {E_0 - V(y)}} dy} \in \mathbb{R}## since the upper bound is a vertical asymptote.
  • I *think* ##V’(x_1) \neq 0## implies that ##lim_{x \rightarrow x_1}{E_0 - V(x) \neq 0}##. Not sure how to prove this formally. I just applied the definition of derivative and did some sketchy algebra and thought this is plausible.
Not sure what to do next...
 
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Ad 2a) It's just that the singularity of the integrand at ##y=x_1## is integrable. If ##V'(x_1) \neq 0##, then you have
$$V(y)=V(x_1) + (y-x_1) V'(x_1) + \mathcal{O}[(y-x_1)^2],$$
and thus around the singularity the integral behaves like
$$\Delta t_{\epsilon}=\int_{x_1-\epsilon}^{x_1} \mathrm{d} y \sqrt{\frac{m}{-2V'(x_1)(y-x_1)}}.$$
Since ##V'(x_1)>0## you have
$$\Delta t_{\epsilon}=-\sqrt{2mV'(x_1) (x_1-y)}|_{y=x_1-\epsilon}^{x_1}= \sqrt{\frac{2 m}{V'(x_1)} \epsilon}.$$
The total time is
$$t=\int_{x_0}^{x_1-\epsilon} \mathrm{d} y \sqrt{\frac{m}{2 [E_0-V(y)]}} + \Delta t_{\epsilon}.$$
Since ##t## doesn't depend on ##\epsilon## and ##\Delta t_{\epsilon} \rightarrow 0## for ##\epsilon \rightarrow 0## the total time is finite.

If ##V'(x_1)=0##, the above Taylor expansion starts at best with the quadratic term, i.e.,
$$V(y)=V(x_1) + \frac{1}{2} (y-x_1)^2 V''(x_1) + \mathcal{O}[(y-x_1)^3],$$
and the above analysis shows that ##\Delta t_{\epsilon}## diverges logarithmically, i.e., even in this case the time ##t \rightarrow \infty##. If also ##V''(x_1)=0## the divergence gets worse, i.e., for ##V'(x_1)=0## the time always ##t \rightarrow \infty##.
 
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Related to How Can I Solve for the Travel Time of a Particle in a Potential?

What is the general approach to solving for the travel time of a particle in a potential?

The general approach involves using the classical mechanics framework where the travel time can be computed by integrating the inverse of the particle's velocity over the path of motion. This typically requires expressing the velocity as a function of position and then performing the integral.

How do you express the velocity of a particle in terms of its potential energy?

The velocity of a particle can be expressed using the conservation of energy principle. For a particle of mass \(m\) moving in a potential \(V(x)\), the total energy \(E\) is conserved and can be written as \(E = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 + V(x)\). Solving for the velocity \(v\), we get \(v = \sqrt{\frac{2}{m}(E - V(x))}\).

What integral needs to be evaluated to find the travel time of a particle in a potential?

The travel time \(T\) is found by integrating the inverse of the velocity over the path of the particle. This can be written as \(T = \int_{x_1}^{x_2} \frac{dx}{v(x)}\), where \(v(x)\) is the velocity as a function of position. Substituting the expression for \(v(x)\), we get \(T = \int_{x_1}^{x_2} \frac{dx}{\sqrt{\frac{2}{m}(E - V(x))}}\).

What are the limits of integration for the travel time integral?

The limits of integration \(x_1\) and \(x_2\) correspond to the initial and final positions of the particle along its path. These positions are typically determined by the points where the particle's kinetic energy is zero, i.e., where \(E = V(x)\), which are the turning points of the motion.

How do you handle the potential energy function in the integral for travel time?

The potential energy function \(V(x)\) must be known or specified as part of the problem. Depending on its form, the integral may need to be evaluated analytically or numerically. For simple potentials like a harmonic oscillator or a constant potential, the integral can often be solved analytically. For more complex potentials, numerical methods may be necessary to evaluate the integral.

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