How can I verify the solution for Poisson equation with forgotten factor?

In summary, the conversation discusses a proposed solution for a physics problem involving the Poisson equation. The solution is given as tanh(f/4) = exp(x/L) tanh(f0/4) with f0 as a constant, but the person suspects an error and seeks help in verifying it. After discussing their attempts at solving the equation and receiving help from the other person, they come to the conclusion that the proposed solution is correct and they will review their simulations.
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baptiste
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Hello

I have a physics article who solve Poisson equation of the form:

L22f/∂x2=sinh(f)

The proposed solution is:

tanh(f/4)=exp(x/L) tanh(f0/4)

with f0 a constant

I suspect an error, something like a forgotten factor.

How can I verify? (I tried but I failed)

I forgot the limit conditions:

x belong to [-∞,0] and f and its first dérivative are null at -∞Thanks
 
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baptiste said:
Hello

I have a physics article who solve Poisson equation of the form:

L22f/∂x2=sinh(f)
Is there some reason this equation involves partial derivatives? From the proposed solution f appears to be a function of x alone.
If so, the above should be ##L^2\frac{d^2 f}{dx^2} = \sinh(f)##
baptiste said:
The proposed solution is:

tanh(f/4)=exp(x/L) tanh(f0/4)

with f0 a constant

I suspect an error, something like a forgotten factor.

How can I verify? (I tried but I failed)
Please show us what you tried.
baptiste said:
I forgot the limit conditions:

x belong to [-∞,0] and f and its first dérivative are null at -∞Thanks
 
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Yes you are right, f is a single variable function, so the equation is
L2d2f/dx2=sinh(f)
Sorry for the error.

So I tried to derivate the expression tanh(f/4)=exp(x/L) tanh(f0/4) or f=4*atanh(exp(x/L) tanh(f0/4)) two times (both forms).
That leads to huge expressions which have nothing to do with the supposed result 1/L2 sinh(f)

Thanks for your help
 
  • #4
Multiple both sides by ##\frac{df}{dx}##. Then you get $$L^2 \frac{d^2f}{dx^2} \frac{df}{dx} = sinh(f) \frac{df}{dx}.$$ Notice that ##\frac{d^2f}{dx^2} \frac{df}{dx} = \frac{1}{2} \frac{d}{dx} (\frac{df}{dx})^2 ##. Integrate both sides with respect to x and you get $$L^2(\frac{df}{dx})^2 = 2\int sinh(f) df = 2 cosh(f) + C.$$

So, $$L\frac{df}{dx} = \pm \sqrt{2cosh(f) + C}.$$ I think this is as simplified as it gets...
 
  • #5
Yes OK I see
If we take the given solution, we have Ldf/dx=1/L (cosh(f/4)) sinh(f/4)
then by some trigonometric transformation we get
L df/dx=+/- sqrt(2 cosh(f)-2).
So the solution is true.

I will read the article one more time to find where is the bug in my simulations.

And I will try to learn matjax next time

Thank you
 

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