How can standard enthelpy values be negative?

In summary, the conversation discusses the negative values for SO in certain aqueous ions and the reason behind this despite dissolution typically resulting in an increase in entropy. It is explained that the dipole interaction between solute and solvent can lead to an overall decrease in entropy. The possibility of the charge-dipole interaction being large enough for this to occur is also mentioned. Additionally, the question about elements always having a positive standard entropy is raised and it is clarified that it is actually the integral of Cp/T from absolute zero to 298 K. The conversation ends with the individual apologizing for using the wrong term and thanking for the explanation and helpful website.
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Certain aqueous ions have negative values for SO, such as Ca2+ with -55.2 J/(K*mol); how is this possible when dissolution is usually an increase in entropy?

Also, all pure elements seem to have positive standard entropy value; why is this the case?

Thank you.
 
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Enthalpy or entropy?

Aceix..
 
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Oh jeez, I'm so sorry. I meant to say entropy. My bad.
 
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Conservation said:
how is this possible when dissolution is usually an increase in entropy?
Start dropping solvent dipoles into an electrical potential well. There's more going on than just entropy of mixing.
 
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So is the dipole interaction between the solute and the solvent great enough that dissolution will result in an overall decrease in entropy despite the entropy of mixing?
 
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Can the charge-dipole interaction be that large? Yes. Is it always? No. That's what keeps measurement labs busy.
 
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Makes sense. Thank you.
Also, could you answer my other question about elements always having a positive standard enthalpy?
 
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Conservation said:
elements always having a positive standard enthalpy?
Enthalpy? Again, you mean "entropy?" It's the integral of Cp/T from absolute zero to 298 K (or whatever T for the table).
 
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I really have to stop using the wrong term. I'm so sorry-the suggested threads about enthalpy at the bottom were throwing me off. :(
Okay, I think I see the integral idea now. Your explanation and this site (http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~cchieh/cact/applychem/entropy.html) was really helpful.

Thank you.
 

FAQ: How can standard enthelpy values be negative?

How is it possible for standard entropy values to be negative?

Standard entropy values can be negative because they are calculated based on the change in entropy between reactants and products in a reaction. If the products have a lower entropy than the reactants, the change in entropy will be negative, resulting in a negative standard entropy value.

Can negative standard enthalpy values occur in all types of reactions?

Yes, negative standard entropy values can occur in all types of reactions, including physical and chemical reactions. It is a result of the change in entropy between the initial and final states of the reaction.

How do negative standard enthalpy values affect the spontaneity of a reaction?

Negative standard entropy values indicate that the reaction results in a decrease in randomness or disorder. This decrease in entropy can make the reaction less spontaneous, but other factors such as temperature and pressure also play a role in determining the spontaneity of a reaction.

Are there any exceptions to the rule that negative standard enthalpy values indicate a decrease in entropy?

Yes, there are some exceptions where a negative standard entropy value may not necessarily indicate a decrease in entropy. For example, some reactions may have a decrease in entropy but a positive standard entropy value due to other factors such as an increase in the number of moles of gas.

How do negative standard entropy values impact the equilibrium constant of a reaction?

Negative standard entropy values can affect the equilibrium constant of a reaction by decreasing its value. This is because the change in entropy is included in the calculation of the equilibrium constant, and a negative value will result in a smaller equilibrium constant.

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