How can the observable universe be 46 billion lyrs in size?

In summary: The most distant parts of the visible universe appear to be receding from us at approaching light speed, and there is good reason to believe that there is more universe beyond what is observable, and that could be receding even faster than light speed.The light from a very distant object which is being observed, (a quasar let's say) was emitted not too long after the 'big bang, some 13.7 billion years ago.Note that while getting more distant the object has not traveled THROUGH spaceDoesn't that mean then that that light has traveled faster then the speed of light?
  • #36
rootone said:
... the proposal that the observable Universe is identical to the entire Universe implies that the the entire Universe is a sphere with the Earth in the dead center of it.
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I think that's a leap of "logic" that does not compute at all. If the universe is infinite, then the observable universe can be identical with the observable universe NOT at the center (or yes, at the center just as is every other point in an infinite universe ... there really is no center to an infinite universe). If the universe is not infinite but rather finite but unbounded, then it is does not need to be true that we are at the center of whatever the topology is.

Either way, your statement does not compute.
 
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  • #37
Must be something wrong with the way I tried to express it, I'll try again.
OK, so the observable Universe is a spherical region of space which is observable by an observer who is at the center of that sphere.
That's a reasonable definition of 'observable Universe' I think, tell me if otherwise.

We can't say whether there is more to the Universe as a whole outside of this observable sphere due to lack of evidence.
However it does seem highly probable that there is more stuff in the Universe then the observable sphere.
The reason being that if there was not more stuff outside of the observable universe, then the term 'observable' becomes redundant, the observer can observe 'everything'.
'Observable universe' and 'whole universe' would be synonyms for the exact same thing.

If this was true, then therefore the observer has the luxury of being located in the exact center of the total cosmos, not just the observable universe but the totality of everything, (which can only be spherical if this is true).
I see no reason for making such an extravagant assumption, it's far more likely that the observer is nowhere special within the entire cosmos, and that more stuff does exist beyond the observable horizon
 
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  • #38
Yes, that's correct except that the assumption that the OU is the entire universe is MUCH worse than just the hubris involved in our making that assumption. Namely, it requires a sharp boundary that defies our understanding of physics and is therefore extremely unlikely. The fact that we cannot collect direct evidence from outside the OU seems somewhat irrelevant to the conclusion that there is something there and that at least for some finite distance (probably huge) the U continues on in the same way. After that it either just keeps going to infinity or it "wraps" in some topology that we do not have evidence of.
 
  • #39
Stephanus said:
Are you sure?
Yes. We know that there was more universe beyond the Hubble sphere at the time of last scattering, so why not now? Unless you think the minimum amount of inflation required to solve the horizon/flatness problems is exactly the amount of inflation we got...
 

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